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  • Newman
    Behind the Iron Curtain
    • Friday, November 1, 2013
    • 25814
    #1

    Alan Dershowitz: Today is a 'very dangerous day for lawyer-client relations'

    Reacting to FBI raids Trump lawyer's office.
    The FBI on Monday raided the office of President Trump's personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, and seized emails, tax documents and records related to his payment to adult-film star Stormy Daniels.

    Cohen's lawyer, Stephen Ryan, said in a statement that federal prosecutors in Manhattan obtained a search warrant after receiving a referral "in part" from special counsel Robert Mueller. Ryan called the search “completely inappropriate and unnecessary.”

    The New York Times reported that the payment to Daniels is just one of "many topics" being looked at by the FBI.

    Other seized documents include business records and communications between Cohen and Trump, but the raid does not appear to be directly connected to Mueller’s probe of Russian meddling in the 2016 election, according to The Times.

    Among the materials agents secured are those related to Cohen’s $130,000 payment to Daniels as part of a nondisclosure agreement related to her alleged 2006 affair with Trump....

    Dershowitz:
    Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz warned Monday that special counsel Robert Mueller's decision to raid President Trump's personal lawyer's office is an assault on the privileged lawyer-client relationship.

    Dershowitz said on Fox News that he believes the decision to raid Michael Cohen's office would be a sign that Mueller is trying to turn Cohen against Trump.

    "This may be an attempt to squeeze Cohen," he said. "He's the lawyer, he's the guy who knows all the facts about Donald Trump, and to get him to turn against his client."

    "This is a very dangerous day today for lawyer-client relations," he added.
    "If this were Hillary Clinton being investigated and they went into her lawyer's office, the ACLU would be on every television station in America, jumping up and down," he added.
    The FBI has no credibility. Mueller & Co. are clearly in for a penny, in for a pound.
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    • Djharkavy
      Senior Member
      • Saturday, October 31, 2015
      • 4286
      #2
      All I can say is that there was sufficient evidence to convince the US attorney, a Trump appointee to pursue it, and from what lawyer friends tell me, a warrant for the communications of a lawyer is a very rare thing to grant.

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        • 80zephyr
          Senior Member
          • Saturday, January 3, 2015
          • 19074
          #3
          Originally posted by Djharkavy View Post
          All I can say is that there was sufficient evidence to convince the US attorney, a Trump appointee to pursue it, and from what lawyer friends tell me, a warrant for the communications of a lawyer is a very rare thing to grant.

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          The problem is, is that we are being told this is not related to the Trump investigation. How fortuitous that they may be able to stumble across "something" while investigating his lawyer.

          I smell a rat.

          Mark
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            • Billy Jingo
              I shave with Occam's Razor
              • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
              • 18663
              #4
              Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz warned Monday that special counsel Robert Mueller's decision to raid President Trump's personal lawyer's office is an assault on the privileged lawyer-client relationship.


              I thought this "raid" was carried out by the DOJ's Southern District of New York and not the Special Counsel's Office.
              “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

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                • 80zephyr
                  Senior Member
                  • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                  • 19074
                  #5
                  Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                  Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz warned Monday that special counsel Robert Mueller's decision to raid President Trump's personal lawyer's office is an assault on the privileged lawyer-client relationship.


                  I thought this "raid" was carried out by the DOJ's Southern District of New York and not the Special Counsel's Office.
                  And of course they won't share information. Lol.

                  Mark
                  Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

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                  Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

                  Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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                    • Lady Marva
                      Senior Member
                      • Wednesday, June 17, 2015
                      • 13321
                      #6
                      Witch hunt. Bah..............

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                        • Newman
                          Behind the Iron Curtain
                          • Friday, November 1, 2013
                          • 25814
                          #7
                          Originally posted by Djharkavy View Post
                          All I can say is that there was sufficient evidence to convince the US attorney, a Trump appointee to pursue it, and from what lawyer friends tell me, a warrant for the communications of a lawyer is a very rare thing to grant.

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                          Very rare indeed.

                          Trump lawyer Michael Cohen could face up to 30 YEARS in prison for felony bank fraud if he paid Stormy Daniels $130,000 by lying to secure a home equity line
                          • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
                          • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
                          • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
                          • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
                          • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
                          • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
                          • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
                          • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
                          • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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                            • 80zephyr
                              Senior Member
                              • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                              • 19074
                              #8
                              Originally posted by Newman View Post
                              Very rare indeed.

                              Trump lawyer Michael Cohen could face up to 30 YEARS in prison for felony bank fraud if he paid Stormy Daniels $130,000 by lying to secure a home equity line
                              Wow. If they have to do this kind of crap, they really are going all out to have someone rat on Trump.

                              Mark
                              Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

                              "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

                              Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

                              Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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                                • Michele
                                  Senior Member
                                  • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                                  • 13964
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                                  Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz warned Monday that special counsel Robert Mueller's decision to raid President Trump's personal lawyer's office is an assault on the privileged lawyer-client relationship.


                                  I thought this "raid" was carried out by the DOJ's Southern District of New York and not the Special Counsel's Office.
                                  From what I understand from news reports yesterday on CNBC, this was something Mueller ran across and gave to the DOJ's S D of NY to investigate because it didn't fall within his investigation.

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                                  Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
                                  And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
                                  may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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                                    • Celeste Chalfonte
                                      apostate
                                      • Saturday, October 5, 2013
                                      • 27897
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Djharkavy View Post
                                      All I can say is that there was sufficient evidence to convince the US attorney, a Trump appointee to pursue it, and from what lawyer friends tell me, a warrant for the communications of a lawyer is a very rare thing to grant.
                                      It should only happen when there is substantial credible evidence that the attorney actually facilitated a criminal act. And then, in my opinion, only to prosecute the lawyer. This is starting to look like a personal vendetta or someone looking to become a legend.
                                      "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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                                        • Billy Jingo
                                          I shave with Occam's Razor
                                          • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                                          • 18663
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by Michele View Post
                                          From what I understand from news reports yesterday on CNBC, this was something Mueller ran across and gave to the DOJ's S D of NY to investigate because it didn't fall within his investigation.

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                                          If that is the case, Alan Dershowitz is not clear on what occurred and is basing his opinion on incorrect information.
                                          “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

                                          ~ Omar El Akkad
                                          ​

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                                            • Celeste Chalfonte
                                              apostate
                                              • Saturday, October 5, 2013
                                              • 27897
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by Newman View Post
                                              Very rare indeed.

                                              Trump lawyer Michael Cohen could face up to 30 YEARS in prison for felony bank fraud if he paid Stormy Daniels $130,000 by lying to secure a home equity line
                                              Lied about what?
                                              "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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                                                • Celeste Chalfonte
                                                  apostate
                                                  • Saturday, October 5, 2013
                                                  • 27897
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                                                  If that is the case, Alan Dershowitz is not clear on what occurred and is basing his opinion on incorrect information.
                                                  Dershowitz's concern is not what specific individual conducted this circus; it's the effect on every public defender and every PD's clients, everyone accused of a crime and his or her attorney, every civil-rights plaintiff and his/her attorney; every small business operator or property owner who tries to fight city hall, and so on. It's using the power of government to intimidate and coerce and ultimately force a massive breach of attorney/client privilege. The government has tried (and occasionally succeeded) in doing this to union lawyers, and I was against it then (as was Dershowitz, IIRC).

                                                  Just because Trump and his people denigrate and subvert the Constitution doesn't excuse it when someone else in government does the same to get to Trump. The ends do not justify the means.
                                                  "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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                                                    • Billy Jingo
                                                      I shave with Occam's Razor
                                                      • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                                                      • 18663
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
                                                      Dershowitz's concern is not what specific individual conducted this circus; it's the effect on every public defender and every PD's clients, everyone accused of a crime and his or her attorney, every civil-rights plaintiff and his/her attorney; every small business operator or property owner who tries to fight city hall, and so on. It's using the power of government to intimidate and coerce and ultimately force a massive breach of attorney/client privilege. The government has tried (and occasionally succeeded) in doing this to union lawyers, and I was against it then (as was Dershowitz, IIRC).

                                                      Just because Trump and his people denigrate and subvert the Constitution doesn't excuse it when someone else in government does the same to get to Trump. The ends do not justify the means.
                                                      No, it goes to the heart of his complaint. You cannot make the claim that the Special Counsel's Office is trying to squeeze Cohen in order to get Trump if they aren't the ones exercising the search warrant. If Mueller wanted Cohen in the hot seat, he would have put him there himself.

                                                      As far as the concern about attorney-client privilege, I agree but sometimes, lawyers commit crimes too.
                                                      “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

                                                      ~ Omar El Akkad
                                                      ​

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                                                        • Michele
                                                          Senior Member
                                                          • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                                                          • 13964
                                                          #15
                                                          Interesting article...possible scenarios:

                                                          Here Are 8 Things You Need To Know About The FBI's Raid on Michael Cohen's Offices

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                                                          May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
                                                          Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
                                                          And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
                                                          may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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