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  • Michele
    Senior Member
    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
    • 13964

    #1

    Shock as Trump backs Putin on election meddling at summit

    HELSINKI (Reuters) - Standing side-by-side with Vladimir Putin, U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday refused to blame the Russian leader for meddling in the 2016 elections, casting doubt on the findings of his own intelligence agencies and sparking a storm of criticism at home.

    On a day when he faced pressure from critics, allied countries and even his own staff to take a tough line, Trump said not a single critical word about Moscow on any of the issues that have brought relations between the two powers to the lowest ebb since the Cold War.

    Instead, he denounced the “stupidity” of his own country’s policy, especially the decision to investigate election interference following the findings of U.S. intelligence agencies. A prosecutor announced an indictment three days ago of Russian spies for hacking into Democratic Party networks.

    Trump’s performance at a joint news conference in Helsinki stirred a wave of condemnation in the United States, where the White House has struggled for months to dispel a suggestion that Trump was unwilling to stand up to Putin.

    His performance was denounced as “treasonous” by a former CIA chief and condemned as “shameful” by a Republican senator, although some other Republicans were more cautious.

    Asked if he believed U.S. intelligence agencies, which concluded that Russia interfered in the 2016 election to help him defeat Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton, he said he was not convinced.

    “I don’t see any reason why it would be” Russia, Trump said. “President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today.”

    In one response, the Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats, a Trump nominee approved by Congress, said in a statement:

    “We have been clear in our assessments of Russian meddling in the 2016 election and their ongoing, pervasive efforts to undermine our democracy, and we will continue to provide unvarnished and objective intelligence in support of our national security.”

    FOOLISHNESS AND STUPIDITY

    Before the summit even began, Trump blamed his own country for the deterioration in relations.

    “Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!” he said on Twitter.

    The Russian foreign ministry tweeted back: “We agree”.

    At the news conference, Trump was invited by reporters to offer any criticism of Russia but he repeatedly declined. Asked if Russia was at all to blame for the poor ties, he said: “I hold both countries responsible. I think the U.S. has been foolish. We’ve all been foolish,” he said, before veering into discussion about his election victory.

    “I beat Hillary Clinton easily and frankly we beat her ... we won that race and it’s a shame that there can be even a little bit of a cloud over it,” he said.

    Trump’s warm words for Russia were a marked contrast from the past week when he repeatedly rebuked traditional U.S. allies at a summit of NATO and during a visit to Britain.

    Asked if Putin was an adversary, he said: “Actually I called him a competitor and a good competitor he is and I think the word competitor is a compliment.”

    Putin spoke of the importance of the two countries working together and praised Trump, at one point interrupting the news conference to give the U.S. President a soccer ball.

    Asked whether he had wanted Trump to win the 2016 election and had instructed officials to help him, Putin said “Yes I did”, although he denied any interference, saying the allegations were “complete nonsense”.

    Republican Senator Lindsey Graham said Trump’s performance would send a message of “weakness” to Moscow.

    “Missed opportunity by President Trump to firmly hold Russia accountable for 2016 meddling and deliver a strong warning regarding future elections. This answer by President Trump will be seen by Russia as a sign of weakness and create far more problems than it solves,” Graham said on Twitter.

    Republican U.S. Senator John McCain called Trump’s meeting with Putin “a tragic mistake” and a new low point for the United States, accusing the American leader of failing to defend his country.

    Arizona Senator Jeff Flake, a frequent Trump critic, said: “I never thought I would see the day when our American President would stand on the stage with the Russian President and place blame on the United States for Russian aggression. This is shameful.”

    The Republican head of the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Bob Corker, Trump’s comments at the joint news conference made the United States look like a “pushover.”

    U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Paul Ryan, the top congressional Republican, took a more tempered approach but insisted that Trump “must appreciate that Russia is not our ally.”

    ‘TREASONOUS’

    Former CIA chief John Brennan went further, suggesting Trump should be removed from office: “Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of ‘high crimes & misdemeanors.’ It was nothing short of treasonous. Not only were Trump’s comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin. Republican Patriots: Where are you???”

    Top House Democrat Nancy Pelosi wrote on Twitter, “Every single day, I find myself asking: what do the Russians have on @realDonaldTrump personally, financially, & politically? The answer to that question is that only thing that explains his behavior & his refusal to stand up to Putin.”

    The summit caps a trip abroad during which Trump accused NATO allies of failing to spend enough on their militaries and embarrassed British Prime Minister Theresa May by saying she refused to take his advice about how to negotiate Britain’s exit from the EU. He referred to the European Union itself as a “foe” in trade and repeatedly criticized it.

    In some of the strongest words yet reflecting the unease of Washington’s traditional allies, Germany’s foreign minister said on Monday Europe could no longer rely on the United States.

    “To maintain our partnership with the USA we must readjust it,” Heiko Maas told the Funke newspaper group. “The first clear consequence can only be that we need to align ourselves even more closely in Europe.”

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  • Norm dePlume
    Err foil
    • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
    • 14904

    #2
    So much for "America first."
    Enjoy.

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    • 80zephyr
      Senior Member
      • Saturday, January 3, 2015
      • 19074

      #3
      Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
      So much for "America first."
      Being friends with Russia would be in our best interests. Trump gets it.

      Mark
      Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

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      • scott
        Go-to Guru
        • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
        • 15799

        #4
        Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
        So much for "America first."
        Why?

        If he's not convinced of the information and can use that to our benefit how is it not a good thing?
        "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
        -John Locke

        "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
        -Newman

        "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
        -Newman

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        • Billy Jingo
          I shave with Occam's Razor
          • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
          • 18663

          #5
          There is no bottom. Surely you know this by now.
          “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

          ~ Omar El Akkad
          ​

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          • Newman
            Behind the Iron Curtain
            • Friday, November 1, 2013
            • 25814

            #6
            Originally posted by Newman View Post
            I haven't seen that presser yet, but if Trump said the US intelligence community and the FBI have disgraced themselves and humiliated the agencies by trading competence and integrity for partisan animus—he'd be guilty of understatement.
            (^from a different thread)

            Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
            Being friends with Russia would be in our best interests. Trump gets it.

            Mark
            I still haven't watch the presser, and I may not. But I've read several accounts.

            It looks to me like a perfect gotcha moment by the media, and Trump was inartful. When participants are at the post-conference presser, they always play nicely. Seldom is heard a discouraging word, as the old song has it.

            So the press has a field day, and they know Trump will not hammer Putin in that setting. I read that one reporter even asked Putin if he had any dirt on Trump or members of his family.

            Really? Yes, really.

            Trump didn't handle it artfully, as I said. It reminded me of his infamous response about the Charlottesville violence, that there were good people on both sides. He can explain till the cows come home that he was talking about the precipitating argument about taking down Confederate statuary, but the Trump-hating media took his words to be support of white supremacy, and have stuck with it ever since.

            Today again the Trump-haters are in orgasmic frenzy. Reuters does a good job of of presenting a few of the loudest howlers.

            Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
            There is no bottom. Surely you know this by now.
            As a metaphor of our partisan divide, Billy, that there is an abyss between the sides, I'd agree. I get most of my news from "conservative" sources, but of late I've forced myself to watch CNN and MSNBC as well. (I hate to double CNN's ratings, but it's a price I've reluctantly paid.) The A-blocks are different, the concerns are different, the facts are different.

            There is very, very little sunlight between the two views of the world.

            One side thinks of Peter Strzok, for example, as I do, a smug and dishonest political snake; the other side applauds him.

            As for James Clapper, the height of his hyperbole is doubtless a close measure of the loathsome skullduggery he needs to keep hidden. I did come across a candid photo of him, though:



            James Clapper, sans makeup
            • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
            • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
            • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
            • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
            • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
            • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
            • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
            • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
            • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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            • Newman
              Behind the Iron Curtain
              • Friday, November 1, 2013
              • 25814

              #7
              Thinking more about the current partisan divide, I believe it was only matched in my lifetime during the Vietnam era. Of course, memories can be selective, and I was involved in those years on the antiwar side. The war was the exemplar of a changing social culture. It's hard to remember how hated long hair on men was in some quarters.

              It was also the time of political violence, from Bill Ayers to Sirhan Sirhan. It would be nice not to go through that crap again.
              • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
              • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
              • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
              • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
              • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
              • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
              • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
              • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
              • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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              • Tom Servo
                Area Man
                • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                • 5898

                #8
                George W. Bush said he stared into Putin's soul; Donald Trump just gazed into his colon.

                In other "Trump has never met a authoritarian leader he didn't like" news, he fist-bumped Turkey's Erdogan, said he "does things the right way".

                Reminder: Erdogan called for journalists, lawyers and politicians against him to be tried as terrorists, has detained dozens of activists and journalists and has gone on record as saying "Democracy and freedom have absolutely no value" in Turkey.

                But you guys keep cheering this guy on, while you goosestep over America's grave.
                “Any sufficiently advanced capitalism is indistinguishable from rent seeking.” ~ =j

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                • 80zephyr
                  Senior Member
                  • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                  • 19074

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Tom Servo View Post
                  George W. Bush said he stared into Putin's soul; Donald Trump just gazed into his colon.

                  In other "Trump has never met a authoritarian leader he didn't like" news, he fist-bumped Turkey's Erdogan, said he "does things the right way".

                  Reminder: Erdogan called for journalists, lawyers and politicians against him to be tried as terrorists, has detained dozens of activists and journalists and has gone on record as saying "Democracy and freedom have absolutely no value" in Turkey.

                  But you guys keep cheering this guy on, while you goosestep over America's grave.
                  I will. Considering the alternative.

                  Mark
                  Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

                  "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

                  Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

                  Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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                  • Norm dePlume
                    Err foil
                    • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                    • 14904

                    #10
                    Here's a transcript of the press conference.
                    Enjoy.

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                    • Lanie
                      Finally have my self respect.
                      • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                      • 4829

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Tom Servo View Post
                      George W. Bush said he stared into Putin's soul; Donald Trump just gazed into his colon.
                      I remember seeing him on TV in 1999 and thinking "He looks just flat out evil." It's rare for me to do that.


                      But this isn't about my feelings or Bush's feelings. This is about what experts in our own country say and Trump is basically saying he'll listen to Putin (a former KGB member) first.

                      And I honestly think there's nothing in the world that Trump could do that would make some people see him for who he is.

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                      • phillygirl
                        Not superior, just kind
                        • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                        • 19840

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Tom Servo View Post
                        George W. Bush said he stared into Putin's soul; Donald Trump just gazed into his colon.

                        In other "Trump has never met a authoritarian leader he didn't like" news, he fist-bumped Turkey's Erdogan, said he "does things the right way".

                        Reminder: Erdogan called for journalists, lawyers and politicians against him to be tried as terrorists, has detained dozens of activists and journalists and has gone on record as saying "Democracy and freedom have absolutely no value" in Turkey.

                        But you guys keep cheering this guy on, while you goosestep over America's grave.
                        goose step.

                        The Nazis goose stepped.


                        Ergo...Godwin.
                        Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
                        Robert Southwell, S.J.

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                        • Norm dePlume
                          Err foil
                          • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                          • 14904

                          #13
                          Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
                          goose step.

                          The Nazis goose stepped.


                          Ergo...Godwin.
                          Congrats. You found your excuse.
                          Enjoy.

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                          • phillygirl
                            Not superior, just kind
                            • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                            • 19840

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                            Congrats. You found your excuse.
                            Isn't there a nit somewhere you need to pick?
                            Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
                            Robert Southwell, S.J.

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                            • Norm dePlume
                              Err foil
                              • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                              • 14904

                              #15
                              Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
                              Isn't there a nit somewhere you need to pick?
                              Sometimes you feel like a nit. Sometimes you don't.

                              And besides, it's not nits -- it's "minutiaeiou". Get it right.
                              Enjoy.

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