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  • Gingersnap
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    • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
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    Warren Rule: Minimum Wage Earner Should Be Able to Afford Spouse, Child and Mortgage

    Warren Rule: Minimum Wage Earner Should Be Able to Afford Spouse, Child and Mortgage

    Terry Jeffrey |Posted: May 01, 2019 10:01 AM


    Sen. Elizabeth Warren told a story at the She the People Presidential Forum last week, illustrating the tough life she lived before growing up to become a Harvard Law professor and then a senator.

    "My daddy has a heart attack. Everybody thinks he is going to die," she said. "He comes back home. He can't work."

    "My mother has never worked outside the home," she continues. "We lose our family station wagon. My mother is terrified."

    But that did not stop her from getting a job.

    "She put on her high heels. She walked to the Sears, and she got a minimum wage job answering the phones," said Warren. "The minimum wage job saved our home, and it saved our family."

    Inspired by her mother's experience, Warren wants a minimum wage job to pay the expenses for a family of three.

    The vision of government behind this, she explains, derives from three lessons she learned when her mother had to go to work.

    The first two lessons Warren cited made her sound as if she might be promoting hard work and self-sufficiency. They included "it doesn't make any difference how scary it looks" and "you take care of the people you love."

    But her final lesson was this: "the third thing I learned eventually about that story is it's a story about government and how, no matter how hard you work, the rules that are made by the people in government will still make the big difference in your life."

    She did not say this as an admonition against big government but as an endorsement of it.

    "Because when I was a girl, a full-time minimum wage job in America would support a family of three," she said.

    "It would pay a mortgage. It would cover the utilities, and it would cover food," she said.

    "Today, a minimum wage job in America will not keep a momma and a baby out of poverty," Warren concluded. "That is wrong."


    Today, the federal minimum wage is $7.25. The Bureau of Labor Statistics published a report in March explaining who earns it.

    There were 81,915,000 people 16 and older in the United States in 2018 who worked for an hourly wage, according to BLS. And 1,711,000 -- or 2.1 percent -- were paid at or below the minimum wage.

    Why would somebody be paid below the minimum? "(A) 'tipped employee' -- a worker who 'customarily and regularly receives $30 a month in tips' -- may have his or her cash wage from an employer reduced to $2.13 per hour, as long as the combination of tips and cash wage from the employer equals the federal minimum wage," explains the Congressional Research Service.

    Of the 1,711,000 workers paid the minimum wage or less, only 905,000 were 25 and older.

    In other words, only 905,000 -- or 1.1 percent -- of the nation's 81,915,000 hourly wage earners were both 25 or older and earning the minimum wage or less. The other 98.9 percent were paid more than minimum wage or younger than 25.

    And, according to the BLS, the workers making at or below the minimum wage were disproportionately concentrated in one industry.

    "The industry with the highest percentage of workers earning hourly wages at or below the federal minimum wage was leisure and hospitality (11 percent)," said the BLS report. "About three-fifths of all workers paid at or below the federal minimum wage were employed in this industry, almost entirely in restaurants and other food services."

    Specifically, according to Table 5 in the report, of the 1,711,000 workers paid at or below the minimum wage, 1,049,000 -- or 61.3 percent -- worked in the leisure and hospitality industry.

    "For many of these workers," the BLS said, "tips may supplement the hourly wages received."

    Should the federal government force a restaurant to pay a college-aged kid working 40 hours a week enough to support a spouse, a child and mortgage? If you follow Warren's logic, the answer is yes.

    Warren is right that America has a wage problem in some industries, but she is looking in the wrong place for a solution.

    As far back as 2005, the Social Security Administration Office of the Inspector General published a report on "Social Security Number Misuse in the Service, Restaurant, and Agricultural Industries."

    "(W)e believe SSN misuse in the service, restaurant, and agriculture industries is widespread," said the IG.

    Why?

    "We identified various types of reporting irregularities, such as invalid, unassigned and duplicate SSNs belonging to young children and deceased individuals," said the IG.

    "Employers and industry association representatives acknowledged that unauthorized noncitizens contribute to SSN misuse," said the IG.

    "We use the term 'unauthorized noncitizens,'" the IG explained, "when referring to individuals who do not have permission from DHS to work in the United States but who are working -- regardless of whether they entered the country legally or illegally."

    If Warren wants to see wages rise among people working in the industry most likely to pay the minimum wage or less, she should demand that the government secure the border and enforce the immigration laws.
    Okay, minimum wage in 1959 (when Warren would have been around 9 or 10 was a dollar an hour or about $8.03 in 2013 dollars.

    Assuming 40 hours a week, that's about $2,286 per year for a female retail clerk. That's about $20,038 in today's dollars. Even bumping for the then real disparity in male versus female wages, that still falls short of supporting 2 adults and one child AND paying a 1959 mortgage (not counting VA benefits) such mortgage being roughly $50 - $60 bucks a month.

    Of course, nobody worth employing stays at minimum wage for long (nor did they then aside from teen jobs).

    Interestingly, Warren's mother did not have shoulder this burden alone. Warren's father continued to work although at a lower wage (at least initially after his heart attack) and we have no idea of what her mother made after 6 months, whether she worked full-time, or what her father made after two years post heart attack. That would be good information to know.

    The fact that Warren started waiting tables at 13 certainly doesn't impress me since that's when I started paycheck work. I assume her older brothers (like mine) also went to work at the same age.

    There is something wrong with anybody who can't get a raise or a better job after a few months on minimum wage. It's the no skill/low skill pay rate. If you haven't picked up some skills in that time, that's you - not them.

    Supporting a child and one non-working spouse on the lowest wage has never been realistic. It wasn't realistic in 1880 and young men didn't attempt it. Marriage for most men wasn't something they pursued until they had enough experience and skills to ply a trade that would stretch to supporting a family. If a boy apprenticed at 12, that day might come for him at 19 or 20 in the city, it might come at 17 for a kid sharecropping.

    Whether 1880 or 1959 no working class breadwinner expected to pay for a house with separate bedrooms for each child, multiple toilets, two or more vehicles (or pleasure horses), vacations (other than staying at a family member's slightly different farm/small town), old age retirement, college, medical insurance other than hospitalization in the late 1950s, or much else.

    You can't equate a 1959 lifestyle for the average working class person with 21st century expectations.

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  • Newman
    Behind the Iron Curtain
    • Friday, November 1, 2013
    • 25814

    #2
    I was struck that she started her tale of woe using the present tense. Professional comedians do that; for some reason the immediacy works well for jokes. But ordinary people usually tell stories from their past in, of all things, the past tense.

    It just sounded odd to me.

    And the part about "momma" and "daddy" bother me because it's just me. I know (a few) other adults who still use those words to talk about their parents. I infer it's big in Texas, maybe western NC. I prefer "parental units."

    The important point of course is the fiction of it all.

    In the late 1950s I ask my father, whom I doubt I ever once called "daddy," what a decent yearly income would be, and after he thought a moment he said about $3000. That fits with your numbers, Gingersnap.

    A minimum wage was never, and will never be adequate for Ms Warren's imagination.
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    • Novaheart
      Guardian of civilization
      • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
      • 6070

      #3
      "Inspired by her mother's experience, Warren wants a minimum wage job to pay the expenses for a family of three."

      BY all means give her one.
      The year's at the spring
      And day's at the morn;
      Morning's at seven;
      The hill-side's dew-pearled;
      The lark's on the wing;
      The snail's on the thorn:
      God's in his heaven—
      All's right with the world!

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      • Novaheart
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        • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
        • 6070

        #4
        Originally posted by Newman View Post
        I was struck that she started her tale of woe using the present tense. Professional comedians do that; for some reason the immediacy works well for jokes. But ordinary people usually tell stories from their past in, of all things, the past tense.

        It just sounded odd to me.

        And the part about "momma" and "daddy" bother me because it's just me. I know (a few) other adults who still use those words to talk about their parents. I infer it's big in Texas, maybe western NC. I prefer "parental units."

        The important point of course is the fiction of it all.

        In the late 1950s I ask my father, whom I doubt I ever once called "daddy," what a decent yearly income would be, and after he thought a moment he said about $3000. That fits with your numbers, Gingersnap.

        A minimum wage was never, and will never be adequate for Ms Warren's imagination.
        Earl Hamner wrote in John Boy's voice. John Boy called his parents "Mama and Daddy" . I refer to my parents in the present tense unless it's essential to the story. Otherwise, I would tear up much too often... like I am now writing this.

        Amongst friends and relations I refer to my parents as "Mom and Dad". We haven't called them parental units since Frank Zappa was alive.
        Last edited by Novaheart; Wednesday, May 1, 2019, 4:59 PM.
        The year's at the spring
        And day's at the morn;
        Morning's at seven;
        The hill-side's dew-pearled;
        The lark's on the wing;
        The snail's on the thorn:
        God's in his heaven—
        All's right with the world!

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        • Novaheart
          Guardian of civilization
          • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
          • 6070

          #5
          For reference- in 1933 the Federal minimum wage was 25¢/hr or $10 for a 40 hour week. We know from Census records that you could rent a small house in Washington DC for about $7/month. Eventually the standard for rent affordability would rise to about one quarter of monthly earnings. Curiously, that standard generally meshed with a pricing standard for rental properties that they pay for thems3lves in ten to sixteen years.

          Exempt from the federal minimum wage were farm workers and domestics. We know from To Kill A Mockingbird (the book not the movie) that a presntable, educated, and trustworthy housekeeper/babysitter like Calpurnia was paid somewhere between $2 and $3 per week (see Aunt Alexandra).

          Also exempt from some provisions of the New Deal was most of the South as ongoing punishment for the War For Southern Independence.
          The year's at the spring
          And day's at the morn;
          Morning's at seven;
          The hill-side's dew-pearled;
          The lark's on the wing;
          The snail's on the thorn:
          God's in his heaven—
          All's right with the world!

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          • Gingersnap
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            • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
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            #6
            Originally posted by Newman View Post
            I was struck that she started her tale of woe using the present tense. Professional comedians do that; for some reason the immediacy works well for jokes. But ordinary people usually tell stories from their past in, of all things, the past tense.

            It just sounded odd to me.

            And the part about "momma" and "daddy" bother me because it's just me. I know (a few) other adults who still use those words to talk about their parents. I infer it's big in Texas, maybe western NC. I prefer "parental units."

            The important point of course is the fiction of it all.

            In the late 1950s I ask my father, whom I doubt I ever once called "daddy," what a decent yearly income would be, and after he thought a moment he said about $3000. That fits with your numbers, Gingersnap.

            A minimum wage was never, and will never be adequate for Ms Warren's imagination.
            The take-away from this pedestrian tale is that Warren grew up in a two parent family where one parent worked full-time until a hiatus and the other worked full or part-time for some unspecified length of time and that family did not attempt to live in the high-expense cities of that era.

            There's nothing demeaning with working at anything nor with kids helping out in times of crisis. In fact, kids should. Nothing quite teaches you the value of a dollar as seeing the government bite and then forking over 2/3rds of that check to get another well (make the car payment, buy groceries, keep the lights on, whatever).

            While kids shouldn't be burdened with the nitty-gritty costs of running the family, contributing to those costs if needed is no bad thing.

            Hiking the minimum wage to $15 bucks has not materially improved no skill earners' prospects. It has incentivized employers to cut hours, invest in automation, and raise prices - as anybody who seriously passed Econ 101 could have predicted.

            The other unintended effect of this kind of thing is higher rents, higher food costs, and higher costs for local employees all around. They are literally pricing themselves out of the market.

            Cost, price, and value are not interchangeable.
            "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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            • 80zephyr
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              • Saturday, January 3, 2015
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              #7
              My youngest(who turns 30 tomorrow, BTW) was approved for a loan of up to $150,000 7 years ago when he was a dishwasher and a pizza delivery driver.

              He thought the bank was crazy, and purchased a house for $40,000.

              He had excellent credit, and still does.

              The problem isn't the wages, it is what you do with what you get.

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              • Gingersnap
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                #8
                Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
                My youngest(who turns 30 tomorrow, BTW) was approved for a loan of up to $150,000 7 years ago when he was a dishwasher and a pizza delivery driver.

                He thought the bank was crazy, and purchased a house for $40,000.

                He had excellent credit, and still does.

                The problem isn't the wages, it is what you do with what you get.

                Mark
                Warren conveniently overlooks that in the 1950s almost all homes were both much smaller and bought with at least a 20% down payment, the non-working spouse did all the childcare - no paying for daycare, and every family other than the wealthy operated off a family budget that was strictly enforced. So much for food, so much for clothing, so much for whatever.

                That's why people ate meatloaf on Mondays or restricted shoe-buying to twice a year or sewed their own dresses or worked on their own cars (when that was still possible) or any number of things we now take for granted that a quasi-servant should supply.
                "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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                • scott
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                  • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                  • 15799

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
                  You can't equate a 1959 lifestyle for the average working class person with 21st century expectations.
                  You also can't equate earnings in 1959 with now without seeing that FICA and Medicare taxes weren't around back then.
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                  • Norm dePlume
                    Err foil
                    • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                    • 14904

                    #10
                    Originally posted by scott View Post
                    You also can't equate earnings in 1959 with now without seeing that FICA and Medicare taxes weren't around back then.
                    There wasn't Medicare then, but FICA dates back to the FDR administration.

                    The Federal Insurance Contributions Act was enacted in 1935 as a tax provision of the Social Security Act.
                    Enjoy.

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                    • Gingersnap
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                      • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                      • 24058

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                      There wasn't Medicare then, but FICA dates back to the FDR administration.
                      Interesting. Show all your work.

                      Having lived in the 'Scandinavian Paradise' at it's height, it ain't what you think it is.

                      Now, I don't know precisely what you think it is, Free medical, free college, free childcare. free food, etc.

                      No.

                      There is no Scandi nation that isn't rabidly capitalist. How else to pay? You think income taxes and VAT pay the bill?
                      '
                      *Laughs weakly*
                      "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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                      • Norm dePlume
                        Err foil
                        • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                        • 14904

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
                        Interesting. Show all your work.

                        Having lived in the 'Scandinavian Paradise' at it's height, it ain't what you think it is.

                        Now, I don't know precisely what you think it is, Free medical, free college, free childcare. free food, etc.

                        No.

                        There is no Scandi nation that isn't rabidly capitalist. How else to pay? You think income taxes and VAT pay the bill?
                        '
                        *Laughs weakly*
                        You might want to just read my post again, because I didn't say a damn thing about Scandinavia and I don't know what you're on about.
                        Enjoy.

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                        • Newman
                          Behind the Iron Curtain
                          • Friday, November 1, 2013
                          • 25814

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
                          Interesting. Show all your work.

                          Having lived in the 'Scandinavian Paradise' at it's height, it ain't what you think it is.

                          Now, I don't know precisely what you think it is, Free medical, free college, free childcare. free food, etc.

                          No.

                          There is no Scandi nation that isn't rabidly capitalist. How else to pay? You think income taxes and VAT pay the bill?
                          '
                          *Laughs weakly*
                          FICA's the pay stub alias for Social Security tax, "only the names have been changed to protect the facts," or something.

                          If memory serves the first recipient of Social Security was Ida Fuller, bless her heart. She had contributed something like $1.98.

                          Social Security and Medicare are perfect examples of the generosity trap, so to speak. It's easy to spot and support a small segment of society with contributions from all. A few pennies from each of us supports Congress in the style to which they've become accustomed. And when the need is acute, like starving elders, and the source of relief diffuse, it's hard to sell any resistance to compassion and generosity. Thus it is that most programs like Social Security see their "benefits" expand over time.

                          That puts long-term pressure on the solvency of any given program, of course, since costs are routinely downplayed as long as possible. So Medicare and Social Security is always threatened with insolvency, with "running out of money," in a never-ending cycle.

                          But that's peanuts next to the real, lethal trap. If it's good for a few, why not for all of us? Why shouldn't we all have the same bennies as Congressfolk? The same health care as Medicare recipients?

                          That is the step off the cliff.
                          • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
                          • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
                          • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
                          • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
                          • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
                          • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
                          • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
                          • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
                          • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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                          • Lady Marva
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                            • Wednesday, June 17, 2015
                            • 13321

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Newman View Post
                            The same health care as Medicare recipients?
                            Wish people would realize Medicare isn't free. Part A, ok. Part B comes directly out of a social security check. Enhancement plans and the drug Part D are paid directly in cold hard cash by the consumer.

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                            • Gingersnap
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                              • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                              • 24058

                              #15
                              Nothing is free unless your Dad or BF gives it to you.

                              Even then, you don't think there won't be a little touch of persuasion?
                              "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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