A 127-year-old US industry collapses under China's weight

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  • Lady Marva
    Senior Member
    • Wednesday, June 17, 2015
    • 13321

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    A 127-year-old US industry collapses under China's weight

    Well. Famous household name, Alcoa.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/marke...=ansmsnmoney11
    Alcoa Inc.’s latest aluminum-making cutback is the clearest sign yet of a regime change.

    For 127 years, the New York-based company has been churning out the lightweight metal used in everything from beverage cans to airplanes, once making it a symbol of U.S. industrial might. Now, with prices languishing near six-year lows, it’s wiping out almost a third of domestic operating capacity, Harbor Intelligence estimates. If prices don’t recover, the researcher predicts almost all U.S. smelting plants will close by next year.

    While that’s a big deal for the U.S. industry and the people it employs, it doesn’t mean much for global supplies. Alcoa’s decision to eliminate 503,000 metric tons of smelting capacity accounts for about 31 percent of the U.S. total for primary aluminum, but less than one percent of the global total, according to Harbor. For more than a decade, output has been moving to where it’s cheaper to produce: Russia, the Middle East and China. A global glut has driven prices down by 27 percent in the past year, rendering American operations unprofitable and accelerating the pace of the industry’s demise.

    “You’ve seen a fair clip of closures in the U.S., that is just unfortunate, but a development that’s very difficult to change,” Michael Widmer, head of metal markets research at Bank of America Corp. in London, said in a telephone interview. “It means you’ll just have to purchase from somewhere else.”

    That’s exactly what Jay Armstrong, the president of Trialco Inc. in Chicago Heights, Illinois, is doing. The company, which turns aluminum into finished manufactured products, now buys about 80 percent of the supplies it turns into car wheels from overseas. That’s up from 40 percent five years ago, he said.

    “It’s not the kind of business where we’re going to pay more and buy all American,” Armstrong said in a telephone interview. “It’s too competitive a business to do that.”
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  • phillygirl
    Not superior, just kind
    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
    • 19840

    #2
    I am partially to blame. I have succumbed to the allure of buying Chinese crap. I need to curb it more.
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    • william the wierd
      Senior Member
      • Thursday, October 1, 2015
      • 1546

      #3
      Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
      I am partially to blame. I have succumbed to the allure of buying Chinese crap. I need to curb it more.
      It's not just Chinese crap. Closed aluminum plants can be bought for a song and are cheap places to develop new products in materials science that are in the process of replacing aluminum. Titanium is probably the most commonly known example of an aluminum replacement right now but other metal and ceramic substitutes are in the pipeline. Aluminum is just going out of fashion.

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      • Adam
        The way to a woman's heart is through her taste buds.
        • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
        • 16885

        #4
        IIRC, aluminum is the second-most recycled item in the country, behind iron/steel. With all of the pushing going on with municipal recycling and the like, I would think that this, at least in part, is partially responsible for a downturn in production.

        I also have to wonder where China is getting their bauxite. I believe that the largest known bauxite deposits in the world are in Jamaica, and they've been feeding the US' appetite for aluminum for quite some time now. I have to wonder if China is actually shipping ore all the way from Jamaica or if there is some other large deposit much closer to home.
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        • Norm dePlume
          Err foil
          • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
          • 14904

          #5
          Originally posted by william the wierd View Post
          It's not just Chinese crap. Closed aluminum plants can be bought for a song and are cheap places to develop new products in materials science that are in the process of replacing aluminum. Titanium is probably the most commonly known example of an aluminum replacement right now but other metal and ceramic substitutes are in the pipeline. Aluminum is just going out of fashion.
          Titanium? As an aluminum replacement?

          Good lord. Let me know when Budweiser comes in titanium cans.
          Enjoy.

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          • Lady Marva
            Senior Member
            • Wednesday, June 17, 2015
            • 13321

            #6
            Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
            I am partially to blame. I have succumbed to the allure of buying Chinese crap. I need to curb it more.
            Not me! Me is queen of not buyin' nutin!

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            • william the wierd
              Senior Member
              • Thursday, October 1, 2015
              • 1546

              #7
              Originally posted by Adam View Post
              IIRC, aluminum is the second-most recycled item in the country, behind iron/steel. With all of the pushing going on with municipal recycling and the like, I would think that this, at least in part, is partially responsible for a downturn in production.

              I also have to wonder where China is getting their bauxite. I believe that the largest known bauxite deposits in the world are in Jamaica, and they've been feeding the US' appetite for aluminum for quite some time now. I have to wonder if China is actually shipping ore all the way from Jamaica or if there is some other large deposit much closer to home.
              They specialize in intricate recycling so their planes have more aluminum relative to titanium in their planes. Then again Bauxite is pretty common dirt.

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              • scott
                Go-to Guru
                • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                • 15799

                #8
                Originally posted by Adam View Post
                IIRC, aluminum is the second-most recycled item in the country, behind iron/steel. With all of the pushing going on with municipal recycling and the like, I would think that this, at least in part, is partially responsible for a downturn in production.

                I also have to wonder where China is getting their bauxite. I believe that the largest known bauxite deposits in the world are in Jamaica, and they've been feeding the US' appetite for aluminum for quite some time now. I have to wonder if China is actually shipping ore all the way from Jamaica or if there is some other large deposit much closer to home.
                China is much higher on the list than Jamaica, second only to Australia
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                • Adam
                  The way to a woman's heart is through her taste buds.
                  • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                  • 16885

                  #9
                  Originally posted by scott View Post
                  China is much higher on the list than Jamaica, second only to Australia
                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ite_production
                  That's production, and I was thinking specifically about known deposits. However, I see that Guinea and Australia have vastly greater deposits than I knew, so it's a bit of a moot point.
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                  Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
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