South Carolina Boeing workers reject unionization bid

[80zephyr]

If more unions were like the one I belong to, union members would number in the many millions.

You can lead a horse to water...

Mark

[Djharkavy]

They prove their worth to the organization and make their case for the pay they want.

What organization? Do you mean their school? Or is this just a generic example?

And you didn't answer my question. Dis they start negotiations from scratch, or were they based on other people's negotiations?

They work harder, they have skills/experience that are worth more to the organization, they look for opportunities, pretty much how most successful adults operate.

What examples do you have that they work harder than other teachers? What skills do they have that are worth more to the school?

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[Lady Marva]

Teachers that complain about pay have their own unions to thank. I know many teachers doing quite well on their own and they don't have to be dragged down to the lowest common denominator. If that system works for you, great! I think it's silly to force that on everyone though.

Are there any teachers out there who don't complain and whine about how underpaid they are for taking every holiday known to man and then days off because 'it's the end of the quarter", nevermind working only nine months a year?

[Djharkavy]

Are there any teachers out there who don't complain and whine about how underpaid they are for taking every holiday known to man and then days off because 'it's the end of the quarter", nevermind working only nine months a year?

Is there any teacher who hasn't been subjected to bullshit like yours?

For the record, I'm fine with my salary, although I'd love to earn more. I make a decent salary and get good benefits. I could probably earn more in the private sector (or could have, had I stayed in research) but I like teaching and I'm not sure the benefits would be as good. I do object when I'm told how little I work, how easy my profession is or how I am overpaid.

My big problem is with politicians and others who have no concept of how to teach a class telling me how I should teach my classes. I also think that, while higher pay would attract more teaching candidates, it isn't the pay, but the administrative bullshit that leads to teaching shortages.

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[80zephyr]

Is there any teacher who hasn't been subjected to bullshit like yours?

For the record, I'm fine with my salary, although I'd love to earn more. I make a decent salary and get good benefits. I could probably earn more in the private sector (or could have, had I stayed in research) but I like teaching and I'm not sure the benefits would be as good. I do object when I'm told how little I work, how easy my profession is or how I am overpaid.

My big problem is with politicians and others who have no concept of how to teach a class telling me how I should teach my classes. I also think that, while higher pay would attract more teaching candidates, it isn't the pay, but the administrative bullshit that leads to teaching shortages.

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And yet you probably think keeping the Dept. of Education is a god idea.

Mark

[scott]

What organization? Do you mean their school? Or is this just a generic example?

School, business, research institution, non-profit, etc. There are lots of teachers in lots of different organizations.

And you didn't answer my question. Dis they start negotiations from scratch, or were they based on other people's negotiations?

All of the above.

What examples do you have that they work harder than other teachers?

Show up early, work late, work efficiently, help other teachers, help other staff, solve problems, be an asset to the organization.

What skills do they have that are worth more to the school?

Interpersonal, communication, efficiency, diligence, etc.

When I taught database integration I got a bonus for always showing up early and staying late, it showed diligence. They wanted to keep me through the course (there was some turmoil when the certification requirements changed mid-course) and I got paid a higher rate on the next course.

[Frostbit]

[Lady Marva]

For the record, I'm fine with my salary, although I'd love to earn more. I make a decent salary and get good benefits. I could probably earn more in the private sector (or could have, had I stayed in research) but I like teaching and I'm not sure the benefits would be as good. I do object when I'm told how little I work, how easy my profession is or how I am overpaid.

Union mindset.

[RobJohnson]

And since federal law requires that a union defend anyone at the work site should the employer violate the contact, whether they are a member or not, those fees seem appropriate to me.



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I have a few years of experience as an elected union rep in a right to work state. Most of the non-dues paying employees were the biggest pains in the ass. They could not vote on a contract, but they sure could bitch about it, lol. I also had to represent them in grievance hearings including a couple employees that were terminated. They had the same benefits that were provided to the dues paying members, and most simply chose not to pay dues as they felt they were getting something for nothing. We were legally able to call them Scabs.

I'm not a huge fan of unions, but I can see both sides.