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  • gary m
    Reprobate
    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
    • 8016

    #1

    Oregon proposes most drastic People Control law yet.

    New Oregon People Control Measure

    Legislation submitted in the Democrat-controlled Oregon legislature would fundamentally change the state’s firearm laws, recasting them as the most restrictive in the country.

    State Sen. Rob Wagner has submitted SB 501 for the upcoming session. Wagner’s bill would require licensing for gun owners prior to purchase, outlaw firearm magazines capable of holding more than five rounds and limit individual ammunition sales to no more than 20 rounds every 30 days.

    Wagner conceded to local media that it was “probably a long shot that something like this passes in whole cloth,” but is proceeding with the measure on behalf of a group of student gun control advocates. A Portland-area Democrat, Wagner was endorsed by New York billionaire Michael Bloomberg’s Everytown group who also contributed directly to his campaign last fall.

    Besides its restrictions on ammunition and requirements for licensing, SB 501 would also mandate that background checks be delayed for 14-days so that state police can research would-be buyers, fine gun owners who failed to report lost or stolen firearms and require guns be locked up when not in use. There would be no grandfathering of magazines affected by the ban.

    The bill is strongly opposed by both state and national gun rights groups as well as Republicans in the legislature.

    “Oregonians need to show up at the Capitol and express their concern over their personal safety and the harm caused by this kind of legislation,” said Rep. Bill Post, R-Keizer, who went on to point out that everyone from hunters unable to meet their allowed bag limit due to lack of ammo to gun owners who would have their now-legal firearms outlawed had skin in the game.

    “That means your old six shot revolver would be required to be turned in or destroyed,” said Post.

    While Washington, D.C., nine U.S. states, and a number of municipalities have arbitrary restrictions on magazine capacity, none would set the bar as low as Oregon’s proposed law. When New York adopted a seven round restriction as part of their SAFE Act in 2013, a federal judge overturned it the next year, saying that it violated the Second Amendment, leaving many counties in the Empire State to stop enforcing it.

    Democrats enjoy a super-majority in both the Oregon House and Senate and have muscled several anti-gun bills through Salem to the waiting desk of fellow Dem, Gov. Kate Brown. Brown, who has in the past directed state police to track and analyze gun transactions, while urging Congress to ban “assault weapons” and enact no fly/no buy legislation, picked up a $250,000 donation from Bloomberg in 2016.
    Link to Oregon SB501

    So in a nutshell, this bill, if passed, would...
    Require a minimum 14 day waiting period.
    Outlaw private party gun sales or transfers with some exceptions for inter family transfers.
    Allow a "reasonable fee" to be imposed by the state for the permit process and another "reasonable fee" to be imposed by the state authorized transfer agent.
    Would make illegal any magazine or firearm that is capable of holding more than 5 rounds with limited exceptions for tube fed .22 and lever action rifles.
    Would limit ammunition purchases to 20 rounds per month.
    Require a background check prior to purchase of said 20 rounds.
    Maintain a complex record system to record ammunition purchases. (Not mentioned would be the elaborate database system that would inevitably be put in place to cross check purchases to enforce the law)
    We are so fucked.
  • scott
    Go-to Guru
    • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
    • 15799

    #2
    Does Oregon have a plan to go door to door and confiscate all those six-shooters and 30 round magazines?
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    • Newman
      Behind the Iron Curtain
      • Friday, November 1, 2013
      • 25814

      #3
      Originally posted by gary m View Post
      New Oregon People Control Measure



      Link to Oregon SB501

      So in a nutshell, this bill, if passed, would...
      Require a minimum 14 day waiting period.
      Outlaw private party gun sales or transfers with some exceptions for inter family transfers.
      Allow a "reasonable fee" to be imposed by the state for the permit process and another "reasonable fee" to be imposed by the state authorized transfer agent.
      Would make illegal any magazine or firearm that is capable of holding more than 5 rounds with limited exceptions for tube fed .22 and lever action rifles.
      Would limit ammunition purchases to 20 rounds per month.
      Require a background check prior to purchase of said 20 rounds.
      Maintain a complex record system to record ammunition purchases.
      (Not mentioned would be the elaborate database system that would inevitably be put in place to cross check purchases to enforce the law)
      My favorite part. Of course, "reasonable fees" would be needed for such a "complex record system," and so on.

      It would be easier and cheaper just to outlaw ammunition.

      How much safer Oregon would be (and with less hearing damage) if you went to a firing range and all you heard were men and women shouting, "Bang!" or "Pow" with each pull of the trigger! In the woods, of course, hunters could use noise suppressors (closed lips) to avoid startling the animals.

      Possibilities abound.
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      • Lady Marva
        Senior Member
        • Wednesday, June 17, 2015
        • 13321

        #4
        Originally posted by Newman View Post
        In the woods, of course, hunters could use noise suppressors (closed lips) to avoid startling the animals.

        Possibilities abound.
        Do peeps for actual real go hunting in Oregon for food animals? How do they not trip on their birkenstocks………...

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        • Norm dePlume
          Err foil
          • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
          • 14904

          #5
          That's a pretty extreme proposal. Apparently it was written up by high school students.

          The bill was authored by Students for Change, a gun control advocacy group of Lake Oswego teenagers that assembled after the Parkland, Florida massacre.

          ...

          The bill was submitted on behalf of Students for change by Rep. Andrea Salinas, D-Lake Oswego, and Sen. Rob Wagner, D- Tualatin. Wagner said that it’s “probably a long shot that something like this passes in whole cloth,” but this is the bill the students wanted to put in front of the Legislature.”
          I would be shocked if any bit of it gets passed.
          Enjoy.

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          • 80zephyr
            Senior Member
            • Saturday, January 3, 2015
            • 19074

            #6
            Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
            That's a pretty extreme proposal. Apparently it was written up by high school students.



            I would be shocked if any bit of it gets passed.
            Its not extreme Norm. Its what the Democrats mean by reasonable gun control laws.

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            • Gingersnap
              Resident stylistic consultant
              • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
              • 24058

              #7
              I assume the students are all about 'gun safety'.

              Somebody needs to inform the kids that nobody can attain or maintain any proficiency with a firearm if they can only practice with 15 rounds a month (I'd guess the other 5 rounds would be held in case of an emergency).

              If you've spent years firing hundreds/thousands of rounds with that one firearm, you might be able to maintain proficiency on 15 rounds a month. By "years", I mean decades.

              Just as after decades of practice, you might be able to maintain a reasonable (but not good) level of piano if you could only practice one piece 15 times a month. All the rest of your repertoire would fail from disuse but heck - you would be able to belt out a pop tune like "Beautiful' or at a stretch, 'Lady In Red' if pressed.

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              • scott
                Go-to Guru
                • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                • 15799

                #8
                Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                That's a pretty extreme proposal. Apparently it was written up by high school students.



                I would be shocked if any bit of it gets passed.
                That's good to hear.
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                -John Locke

                "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
                -Newman

                "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
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                • Michele
                  Senior Member
                  • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                  • 13964

                  #9
                  Originally posted by gary m View Post
                  New Oregon People Control Measure[/URL]
                  I like that name. Sounds like something after the apocalypse.
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                  Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
                  And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
                  may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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                  • 80zephyr
                    Senior Member
                    • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                    • 19074

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
                    I assume the students are all about 'gun safety'.

                    Somebody needs to inform the kids that nobody can attain or maintain any proficiency with a firearm if they can only practice with 15 rounds a month (I'd guess the other 5 rounds would be held in case of an emergency).

                    If you've spent years firing hundreds/thousands of rounds with that one firearm, you might be able to maintain proficiency on 15 rounds a month. By "years", I mean decades.

                    Just as after decades of practice, you might be able to maintain a reasonable (but not good) level of piano if you could only practice one piece 15 times a month. All the rest of your repertoire would fail from disuse but heck - you would be able to belt out a pop tune like "Beautiful' or at a stretch, 'Lady In Red' if pressed.

                    I think you are assuming they care. They don't.

                    Mark
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                    • Celeste Chalfonte
                      apostate
                      • Saturday, October 5, 2013
                      • 27897

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Michele View Post
                      I like that name. Sounds like something after the apocalypse.
                      Like "East Washington" and "West Washington" in the JD Robb "In Death" series.
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                      • Tom Servo
                        Area Man
                        • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                        • 5898

                        #12
                        Any attempt to regulate the ownership of firearms or ammunition of any kind up to and including rocket launchers is a violation of the Second Amendment and anyone who suggest otherwise should be shot.
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