The Education of Greta Thunberg: Naivety Meets Reality for the Teen Climate Alarmist

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  • Newman
    Behind the Iron Curtain
    • Friday, November 1, 2013
    • 25814

    #1

    The Education of Greta Thunberg: Naivety Meets Reality for the Teen Climate Alarmist

    My favorite today, a short essay by author Gregory Wrightstone:


    Since she first stood alone in front of the Swedish parliament last August protesting insufficient action in fighting climate change, 16-year-old Greta Thunberg has literally become the poster child for a worldwide student movement.
    “We are facing the biggest crisis humanity has ever faced,” said Ms. Thunberg. “If your house is on fire, you don’t sit down to talk about it. I want people to panic.”

    She did admit that “I am not a scientist. I don’t have the proper education.” She is quite correct in that regard. It is not just that she is blissfully ignorant of many climate facts, but what she does supposedly know is just so wrong. If she were to return to the classroom, her lessons should serve to calm her fears.
    I have no doubt she believes that, and calming fears is not the objective of alarmists, by definition.

    For example, in Science class she would learn that worldwide surface measurements reveal that, while the planet is in the midst of a warming trend of several hundred years, the Earth has not warmed at all since she was born. Her teachers could also assure her that our current temperatures are not at all unusual nor unprecedented, but very similar to previous warming trends over the last several thousand years.

    Moving on to Biology class, she could explore how plants rely on carbon dioxide (CO2) as the basic building block in the process of photosynthesis. She would find that, rather than being a pollutant, CO2 is fueling plant growth and that an increase in this gas is leading to higher crop productivity and a “greening” of the Earth.

    Later in the morning, she would join her classmates for History lessons. There, a review of human life dating back to the earliest of the great civilizations would reveal that the several previous warming periods (called climate optima) directly correlated to fantastic periods of human prosperity and advances. Ms. Thunberg would have to unlearn what she has been told about the theoretical dangers of increasing temperature, as actual experience clearly would show her that the cold periods were associated with famine, pestilence and mass depopulation.

    During Health class, she would find that she has been incredibly misled about the health implications of rising temperatures. Contrary to what her handlers have told her, the real killer is cold, not heat. As many as 20 times as many people die around the globe from cold-related issues as from heat. Rising temperatures will save lives.

    While still in Health class, her teachers could provide the students with information on one of the biggest pollution-related killers: the indoor air pollution associated with stoves and fires inside homes. Replacing the wood- and dung-fired stoves in homes with the clean-burning fossil fuels that Greta so dislikes would reduce the estimated 1.6 million people who die every year from the associated respiratory illnesses.

    Finally, in her Economics class, she might learn that the fossil fuels that she wants to ban are providing reliable, abundant and affordable energy to the planet’s growing population. Her teacher might also tell the class that the poorest pay the highest percentage of their meager incomes for energy, so the higher energy costs associated with the renewable energy would harm those unfortunates the most.
    I am quite sure that Ms. Thunberg has a big heart and wants the best for Earth and humanity, but it is time for her to go back to school to learn what she doesn’t know and to unlearn so much of what she has been taught.
    Luckily she has about eleven and a half years to get it right.
    • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
    • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
    • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
    • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
    • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
    • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
    • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
    • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
    • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.
  • Gingersnap
    Resident stylistic consultant
    • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
    • 24058

    #2
    Originally posted by Newman View Post
    My favorite today, a short essay by author Gregory Wrightstone:

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    I have no doubt she believes that, and calming fears is not the objective of alarmists, by definition.



    Luckily she has about eleven and a half years to get it right.
    Thunberg is a sad tale, really. She has autism (as does her sister) and became alarmed over global warming at age 9. Some people with autism (as some people with OCD) can become extremely fixated on a subject to the extent that it occupies many hours a day.

    I know, it happened to me.

    While this is either beneficial or harmless in the case of coding or trains or studying insects, it's a real hazard if the fixation turns to anything that is not objectively concrete. If whatever it has many viewpoints, conflicting interpretations, or multiple frames, then the fixation can select one view and exclude everything else.

    Unfortunately, even adults with this problem don't have any special talent in selecting what will become the 'correct view' later since they will reject any evidence that is incongrent as it emerges.

    Normal people can also appear this way but normal people typically don't spend 18 hours a day on their pet interests to the exclusion of virtually everything else - family, friends, other pursuits, entertainment (unless on the fixation subject), etc.

    This kid needs CBT and other therapies to moderate and control this tendency. That adults would indulge her is frightening. Children, regardless of neuro status, are extremely poor decision-makers when it comes to science, economics, statistics, human nature, history, and all that.

    They are mostly useful in this context as emotional leverage for some policy, political stance, or social movement. The strategy is very old and always ranges from misguided to disastrous. In every context, it's exploitative.
    "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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    • Celeste Chalfonte
      apostate
      • Saturday, October 5, 2013
      • 27897

      #3
      Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
      Thunberg is a sad tale, really. She has autism (as does her sister) and became alarmed over global warming at age 9. Some people with autism (as some people with OCD) can become extremely fixated on a subject to the extent that it occupies many hours a day.

      I know, it happened to me.

      While this is either beneficial or harmless in the case of coding or trains or studying insects, it's a real hazard if the fixation turns to anything that is not objectively concrete. If whatever it has many viewpoints, conflicting interpretations, or multiple frames, then the fixation can select one view and exclude everything else.

      Unfortunately, even adults with this problem don't have any special talent in selecting what will become the 'correct view' later since they will reject any evidence that is incongrent as it emerges.

      Normal people can also appear this way but normal people typically don't spend 18 hours a day on their pet interests to the exclusion of virtually everything else - family, friends, other pursuits, entertainment (unless on the fixation subject), etc.

      This kid needs CBT and other therapies to moderate and control this tendency. That adults would indulge her is frightening. Children, regardless of neuro status, are extremely poor decision-makers when it comes to science, economics, statistics, human nature, history, and all that.

      They are mostly useful in this context as emotional leverage for some policy, political stance, or social movement. The strategy is very old and always ranges from misguided to disastrous. In every context, it's exploitative.
      That's what my mother used to say about the JW's dragging their kids along to knock on doors on Sunday mornings. And the ones who take their kids to demonstrate (on either side) at clinics.
      "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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      • Newman
        Behind the Iron Curtain
        • Friday, November 1, 2013
        • 25814

        #4
        Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
        That's what my mother used to say about the JW's dragging their kids along to knock on doors on Sunday mornings. And the ones who take their kids to demonstrate (on either side) at clinics.
        Ack! As little sympathy as I have for the Sunday morning door knockers* it's not the same. They are "training the children" for a life of door knocking.

        Exploiting children to push a political point is different.


        *Are you sure they went out Sunday mornings? It sounds like the beginning of the folk song, "The Grey Goose": It was last Sunday morning (Lord, Lord, Lord), when the preacher went a-hunting (Lord, Lord, Lord)....
        • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
        • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
        • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
        • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
        • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
        • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
        • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
        • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
        • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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        • Gingersnap
          Resident stylistic consultant
          • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
          • 24058

          #5
          I've never had a JW or Christian Scientist or any Evangelical show up on Sunday morning. I mean, they are all busy on Sundays.

          The JW kid thing is really no different from the Girl Scout thing or Trail Life thing or the local 'support X school' thing'. They are training the kid to do....whatever - knock on doors, raise money, etc.

          What they do not do is make/let the kid shill for something and constantly video her every move and thought and put her out as the 'conscience of the future'. Plus, all kids involved really hate this stuff (I know, I did it) and have other interests and they all do this stuff outside of school, not instead of it.
          "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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          • Lady Marva
            Senior Member
            • Wednesday, June 17, 2015
            • 13321

            #6
            Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
            I've never had a JW or Christian Scientist or any Evangelical show up on Sunday morning. I mean, they are all busy on Sundays.
            Agree. Never had any of them show up on Sundays at all.
            Myself invites the Mormon missionaries in 'cause they play with Wee Doogie.

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            • Gingersnap
              Resident stylistic consultant
              • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
              • 24058

              #7
              Originally posted by Lady Marva View Post
              Agree. Never had any of them show up on Sundays at all.
              Myself invites the Mormon missionaries in 'cause they play with Wee Doogie.
              I always talk with all of them if I have the time - why not? Mr. Snaps, on the other hand, keeps a stash of their literature in the hall tree. JWs get Baptist stuff, Christian Scientists get JW stuff, and Evangelicals get Christian Science stuff. If witches handed out pamphlets, he'd give that to visiting Buddhists.

              He tells me it makes for 'interesting' conversations.
              "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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              • Lady Marva
                Senior Member
                • Wednesday, June 17, 2015
                • 13321

                #8
                Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
                I always talk with all of them if I have the time - why not?
                Yes, don't talk "religion" with them, but they are very nice young people visiting.

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                • Adam
                  The way to a woman's heart is through her taste buds.
                  • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                  • 16885

                  #9
                  I have to agree: I've never seen a Mormon, Adventist, JW, anything like that out on a Sunday morning.
                  It's been ten years since that lonely day I left you
                  In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
                  Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
                  Pray for me, momma, I'm a gypsy now

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                  • Celeste Chalfonte
                    apostate
                    • Saturday, October 5, 2013
                    • 27897

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Newman View Post
                    Ack! As little sympathy as I have for the Sunday morning door knockers* it's not the same. They are "training the children" for a life of door knocking.

                    Exploiting children to push a political point is different.


                    *Are you sure they went out Sunday mornings? It sounds like the beginning of the folk song, "The Grey Goose": It was last Sunday morning (Lord, Lord, Lord), when the preacher went a-hunting (Lord, Lord, Lord)....
                    Yes, because when they would ask if Mom had a minute to talk about God (or whatever it is they ask), she would say, "No, I'm getting ready to take MY children to church. What are yours doing on my doorstep?"
                    "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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                    • Celeste Chalfonte
                      apostate
                      • Saturday, October 5, 2013
                      • 27897

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
                      I always talk with all of them if I have the time - why not? Mr. Snaps, on the other hand, keeps a stash of their literature in the hall tree. JWs get Baptist stuff, Christian Scientists get JW stuff, and Evangelicals get Christian Science stuff. If witches handed out pamphlets, he'd give that to visiting Buddhists.

                      He tells me it makes for 'interesting' conversations.
                      I think Mr. Snaps and I would get along well.
                      "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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                      • Newman
                        Behind the Iron Curtain
                        • Friday, November 1, 2013
                        • 25814

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
                        Yes, because when they would ask if Mom had a minute to talk about God (or whatever it is they ask), she would say, "No, I'm getting ready to take MY children to church. What are yours doing on my doorstep?"
                        OK,

                        It still seems odd to me. As I recall they themselves worship on Sunday. (The ones I knew went to their Kingdom Hall twice a week.) Maybe they were intentionally looking for non-churchgoing people.
                        • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
                        • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
                        • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
                        • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
                        • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
                        • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
                        • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
                        • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
                        • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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                        • Gingersnap
                          Resident stylistic consultant
                          • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                          • 24058

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
                          I think Mr. Snaps and I would get along well.
                          Uncertain. Could be a mutual admiration society or could be something along the lines of 'Mothra vs Godzilla'.

                          Either way, I'm setting you guys up with yummy appetizers and craft beers and then I'm leaving.
                          "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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                          • Celeste Chalfonte
                            apostate
                            • Saturday, October 5, 2013
                            • 27897

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
                            Uncertain. Could be a mutual admiration society or could be something along the lines of 'Mothra vs Godzilla'.

                            Either way, I'm setting you guys up with yummy appetizers and craft beers and then I'm leaving.
                            I'll have a Bud Lite or a Michelob Ultra if it's all the same to you, thanks.
                            "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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                            • Frostbit
                              But only once
                              • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                              • 22330

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
                              I'll have a Bud Lite or a Michelob Ultra if it's all the same to you, thanks.
                              What? No pitchers of top shelf margaritas?
                              If it pays, it stays

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