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  • 80zephyr
    Senior Member
    • Saturday, January 3, 2015
    • 19074

    #1

    To Hell with the Elites

    When Trump does something, its an impeachable offense, whe the Democrats do something, its patriotic.

    Go Figure.

    Asking for the assistance of our global friends and allies to help reveal the wrongdoing of the American ruling class is now an impeachable offense. Investigating their wrongdoing is wrongdoing. Exposing their corruption is corruption. In the Clown World we currently inhabit, the president of the United States must be removed from office for daring to ask they be investigated abroad.

    The events of this week reveal the new standard. Like sharks to a whale carcass, our elites routinely feast upon precarious situations in other nations: The Podesta Group, Hunter Biden, and others were content to make a buck off the tensions in Ukraine along with Paul Manafort, just as the Clintons and others were happy to take tens of millions of dollars from Russian oligarchs. We all know that Manafort would be sitting in a house in Malibu right now with the same immunity deal the likes of Podesta, Biden, and the Clintons apparently possess if only he had never decided to work for Donald Trump.

    Recall that the supposed original sin of the entire Russian-collusion gambit was that when approached (apparently mostly by agents of the United States government working for President Obama and friends) then-candidate Trump or his team were interested in recovering the emails that Hilary Clinton unwisely and illegally sent and then deleted from her private server so that no one could read them. There would be plenty of reasons for Americans and the U.S. government itself to seek out these emails, of course, if only to determine to what extent they threatened national security—never mind the power and wealth of the foundation engaged in international money collection that her husband ran while she was Secretary of State.

    But while the supposed reasons for it change every week, the Ukraine fiasco reveals the real underlying cause of the Left’s outrageously hypocritical march towards impeachment. The ruling class is now effectively saying to President Trump: “We know that domestically we have nothing to fear from the media and the law—so how dare you ask other countries about us! You must be impeached for this crime and this crime alone—asking other countries about our wrongdoing! Only an insane or evil person would do this!”

    Note that while asking other nations about the wrongdoing of Democrats is an impeachable offense, asking other nations about the alleged wrongdoing of Republicans is considered our noble, patriotic duty—our higher loyalty.


    Hillary Clinton’s campaign had no problem with investigating Trump in other nations and paying foreign operatives for dirt about Trump. After all, that’s what ex-British spy Christopher Steele was hired to do. And the media had no problem with spreading it.

    The Obama Administration had no problem asking Ukraine about Paul Manafort and his financial transactions with government officials, which were soon mysteriously released. Nor did the Obama Administration have a problem surveilling the Trump campaign using foreigners and investigating Trump and his team internationally.

    And many Democrats had no problem with impeaching the president based on what those foreigners said. When that turned out to be uncorroborated nonsense, they said he must be impeached because he tried to fight off the investigation based on such nonsense. Now they seek to impeach him for asking for an investigation into one of their own.

    You got that? “We will use the investigatory power of the federal government to surveil and investigate and impeach you; we will seek out dirt on you from overseas to impeach you; if you try to fight back we will impeach you, and if you ask others to investigate us overseas we will impeach you for that, too.”

    But fair is fair. President Trump should publicly announce to the denizens of the entire fetid swamp in Washington, D.C. that, yes, he will potentially initiate investigations with any nation willing to cooperate to expose the wrongdoing of the American political class. In fact, as president, it is his sworn duty to do so—to fulfill his oath to execute the laws and defend the U.S. Constitution.

    Why shouldn’t Trump publicly acknowledge that the American government now wants to recover all of Clinton’s emails she foolishly sent from an unsecured server and then deleted? Why shouldn’t he ask the Ukrainians what they know about the hack of the Democratic National Committee’s server? Why shouldn’t he ask them about any and all efforts by the Obama Administration to influence or delegitimize the results of the 2016 election?

    “You want to talk about Ukraine and Russian money? Let’s do it! If Manafort is going to be arrested by a SWAT team and put into solitary confinement and get the book thrown at him for tax evasion, we should also investigate everyone else who made millions in Ukraine and from Russian oligarchs in the past decade. The Podesta Group, Hunter Biden, everyone. The investigation into Joe and Hunter will just be the beginning. And just wait until we start looking into China . . .”

    It’s time for President Trump to build a big, beautiful door in the wall of propaganda that papers over the actions of American elites. And make the Democrats pay for it.
    Asking for the assistance of our global friends and allies to help reveal the wrongdoing of the American ruling class is now an impeachable offense. Investigating their wrongdoing is wrongdoing.


    Mark
    Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

    "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

    Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

    Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.
  • Billy Jingo
    I shave with Occam's Razor
    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
    • 18663

    #2
    To hell with the elites?

    Sounds a bit Maoist.
    “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

    ~ Omar El Akkad
    ​

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    • Novaheart
      Guardian of civilization
      • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
      • 6070

      #3
      Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
      To hell with the elites?

      Sounds a bit Maoist.
      Yeah, I don't get that particular accusation. "The elites" has come to mean everyone from a sociologist to AOC. Stupid and elite are not synonymous.
      The year's at the spring
      And day's at the morn;
      Morning's at seven;
      The hill-side's dew-pearled;
      The lark's on the wing;
      The snail's on the thorn:
      God's in his heaven—
      All's right with the world!

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      • Lady Marva
        Senior Member
        • Wednesday, June 17, 2015
        • 13321

        #4
        Pretty much all ho-hum. Background junk. Going food shopping is far more useful.

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        • Tom Servo
          Area Man
          • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
          • 5898

          #5
          People on the right have been fed so many lies and half-truths they don't even know what reality is anymore.
          “Any sufficiently advanced capitalism is indistinguishable from rent seeking.” ~ =j

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          • 80zephyr
            Senior Member
            • Saturday, January 3, 2015
            • 19074

            #6
            Originally posted by Tom Servo View Post
            People on the right have been fed so many lies and half-truths they don't even know what reality is anymore.
            Its only us being fed lies, right Tom? So tell me, how do you KNOW your not being fed lies and that its you that doesn't know what reality is anymore?

            Mark
            Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

            "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

            Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

            Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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            • Tom Servo
              Area Man
              • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
              • 5898

              #7
              Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
              Its only us being fed lies, right Tom? So tell me, how do you KNOW your not being fed lies and that its you that doesn't know what reality is anymore?

              Mark
              Because I don't have a "side". It's easier to see objective truth when you are sitting on the sidelines.
              “Any sufficiently advanced capitalism is indistinguishable from rent seeking.” ~ =j

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              • Newman
                Behind the Iron Curtain
                • Friday, November 1, 2013
                • 25814

                #8
                Originally posted by Tom Servo View Post
                Because I don't have a "side". It's easier to see objective truth when you are sitting on the sidelines.
                I don't buy that, Tom. Nature doesn't confer any special wisdom on any group. I might say, equally tendentiously, that those sitting on the sidelines are prima donnas who enjoy the attention lavished on that tiny segment of "undecideds" late in the campaign season. And those who never vote? I have little respect for their political grousing, which usually masquerades as world-weary nihilism, but is mostly lazy cynicism.

                Every election I've known seems more divisive that the one before, and I find less and less justification for anyone to sit indecisively on the sidelines watching others wrangle with significant issues and principles.

                Originally posted by TR
                It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.
                On the particular charge of your post, that "people on the right have been fed so many lies and half-truths they don't even know what reality is," it's hard to take that seriously on the heels of watching Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi perform, all awash in their crocodile tears.
                • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
                • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
                • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
                • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
                • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
                • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
                • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
                • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
                • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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                • 80zephyr
                  Senior Member
                  • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                  • 19074

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Tom Servo View Post
                  Because I don't have a "side". It's easier to see objective truth when you are sitting on the sidelines.
                  Come on Tom. You used to be unbiased, but you certainly aren't anymore. But your political position makes no difference here. You can only digest what you hear, since you are not an insider. So, what makes you believe anything you hear of read, compared to any of us?

                  Mark
                  Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

                  "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

                  Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

                  Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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                  • Djharkavy
                    Senior Member
                    • Saturday, October 31, 2015
                    • 4286

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Newman View Post
                    I don't buy that, Tom. Nature doesn't confer any special wisdom on any group. I might say, equally tendentiously, that those sitting on the sidelines are prima donnas who enjoy the attention lavished on that tiny segment of "undecideds" late in the campaign season. And those who never vote? I have little respect for their political grousing, which usually masquerades as world-weary nihilism, but is mostly lazy cynicism.

                    Every election I've known seems more divisive that the one before, and I find less and less justification for anyone to sit indecisively on the sidelines watching others wrangle with significant issues and principles.



                    On the particular charge of your post, that "people on the right have been fed so many lies and half-truths they don't even know what reality is," it's hard to take that seriously on the heels of watching Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi perform, all awash in their crocodile tears.
                    Being unaligned doesn't confer wisdom. But it does reduce confirmation bias.

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                    • Newman
                      Behind the Iron Curtain
                      • Friday, November 1, 2013
                      • 25814

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Djharkavy View Post
                      Being unaligned doesn't confer wisdom. But it does reduce confirmation bias.
                      Not necessarily, since being "unaligned" doesn't mean unopinionated. Tom Servo is a good example.
                      • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
                      • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
                      • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
                      • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
                      • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
                      • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
                      • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
                      • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
                      • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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                      • Lanie
                        Finally have my self respect.
                        • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                        • 4829

                        #12
                        Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
                        When Trump does something, its an impeachable offense, whe the Democrats do something, its patriotic.

                        Go Figure.



                        Asking for the assistance of our global friends and allies to help reveal the wrongdoing of the American ruling class is now an impeachable offense. Investigating their wrongdoing is wrongdoing.


                        Mark


                        There's a flip side to that.

                        Trump can literally shoot somebody in public and still have the support of his supporters. With all the drama about Biden and other Democrats looking bad and having investigations, Trump has had several done into him. He's considered to be the eternal victim.

                        Nobody considers the possibility that the person on their side might be a truly awful person. They'll always make excuses. Political discussions are a joke and everybody knows it.

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                        • scott
                          Go-to Guru
                          • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                          • 15799

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Djharkavy View Post
                          Being unaligned doesn't confer wisdom. But it does reduce confirmation bias.
                          Except Tom isn't unaligned - he hates Trump. Therefore his bias is quite apparent.
                          "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
                          -John Locke

                          "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
                          -Newman

                          "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
                          -Newman

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                          • Norm dePlume
                            Err foil
                            • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                            • 14904

                            #14
                            Originally posted by scott View Post
                            Except Tom isn't unaligned - he hates Trump. Therefore his bias is quite apparent.
                            Hating Trump doesn't mean he likes anyone else. But if you have a very Trump-centric world view, it probably seems that way to you. He's "the other".
                            Enjoy.

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                            • Newman
                              Behind the Iron Curtain
                              • Friday, November 1, 2013
                              • 25814

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Lanie View Post
                              There's a flip side to that.

                              Trump can literally shoot somebody in public and still have the support of his supporters. With all the drama about Biden and other Democrats looking bad and having investigations, Trump has had several done into him. He's considered to be the eternal victim.

                              Nobody considers the possibility that the person on their side might be a truly awful person. They'll always make excuses. Political discussions are a joke and everybody knows it.
                              Not so, Lanie. That's what this expression is about, "He may be a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch."
                              • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
                              • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
                              • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
                              • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
                              • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
                              • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
                              • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
                              • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
                              • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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