College students are petty tyrants on a frightening scale, study shows

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  • 80zephyr
    Senior Member
    • Saturday, January 3, 2015
    • 19074

    #1

    College students are petty tyrants on a frightening scale, study shows

    Wow. And to think that in just a few years, these kids will be running America

    It’s awful that huge majorities of college students are totalitarian enough to support corporal punishment for unwanted speech. It’s almost as bad that similar majorities think favored speech should be compelled.​

    Even more worrisome, the speech they wish to compel is actually pernicious.

    This column reported yesterday on the eighth annual national survey of college undergraduates conducted for the William F. Buckley Jr. Program at Yale, released Oct. 25. This year’s results were by far the most disheartening yet. Less than 40% of those surveyed could bring themselves to oppose the idea that “some types of offensive speech even merit the death penalty.” And an absolute majority agreed that violence can be justified to prevent the utterance of hateful views.

    Now consider the collegians’ views on that equation’s flipside — namely, that speech should be compelled in some circumstances. More than 65% agreed with each of the following two scenarios: first, that professors and administrators should forfeit their jobs if they don’t “make statements in favor of diversity, equity, and inclusion,” and second, that “new employees at any company, business, or organization” should be “required” to “sign” such statements.

    This is stunning and scary. It is like the old Communist Party loyalty oaths.

    Outside of the realm of faith-based employers — where, of course, the transmission of faith is part of the very mission of the organization — a requirement for adults to express a particular opinion is just tyrannical thuggery. By analogy, the political Left would explode in self-righteous anger if colleges required, as a condition of employment, a signed statement even as anodyne as agreeing with Alexis De Tocqueville that voluntary “associations” are necessary “in order that men remain civilized or become so.”

    Yet two-thirds of college students are so mindlessly attached to the cult of diversity that they would compel their own professors to pronounce fealty to it rather than intellectual inquiry and free thought.

    Likewise, by an 11-point margin, a majority of these petty tyrants say colleges “should require that students, professors, and faculty state their preferred gender pronouns when introducing themselves" — even though 66% of those surveyed say they themselves don’t state their own “preferred gender pronouns.” Do the math: At least 15% of collegians would compel others to do what they themselves don’t do.

    College kids are supposed to be the intellectual cream of the crop. Something is deeply wrong with our education system for failing to open these minds. And something is also deeply wrong with the individual minds of those who reach the age of majority in a free country but favor cultlike orthodoxy, enforced upon pain of one’s livelihood.

    And all of this isn’t even to get into the intrinsic wrongheadedness of the modern “diversity, equity, and inclusion” contagion. Anywhere and everywhere — but particularly on a college campus, where the entire enterprise should be about helping students free themselves from their inherited “identities” in order to learn to think for themselves — it should be anathema to act as if racial or gender “identity” defines us more than character and abilities. The diversity-identity cult is dehumanizing.

    Again, though, even if the modern diversity movement were entirely beneficent, it would be wrong to compel people, especially on campus, to adhere to it. Thomas Jefferson may now be disdained on most campuses for being a “dead, white male,” but he was right, for his time and forever, to say that he had “sworn upon the alter of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”

    Oh … and Jefferson’s gender reference was intended to be inclusive, by the way.
    It’s awful that huge majorities of college students are totalitarian enough to support corporal punishment for unwanted speech. It’s almost as bad that similar majorities think favored speech should be compelled.



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  • Newman
    Behind the Iron Curtain
    • Friday, November 1, 2013
    • 25814

    #2
    Very disturbing and unsurprising. Worse, I think "corporal" was meant to be "capital."
    Less than 40% of those surveyed could bring themselves to oppose the idea that “some types of offensive speech even merit the death penalty.”​
    • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
    • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
    • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
    • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
    • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
    • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
    • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
    • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
    • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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    • scott
      Go-to Guru
      • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
      • 15799

      #3
      Originally posted by Newman View Post
      Very disturbing and unsurprising. Worse, I think "corporal" was meant to be "capital."
      Yeah I was thinking, "so they're going to spank people?"

      These twits are what we get when kids are overly coddled and enabled.
      "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
      -John Locke

      "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
      -Newman

      "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
      -Newman

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      • phillygirl
        Not superior, just kind
        • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
        • 19840

        #4
        Originally posted by scott View Post

        Yeah I was thinking, "so they're going to spank people?"

        These twits are what we get when kids are overly coddled and enabled.
        Same thought here. I couldn’t figure out where that was going.
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        • Lady Marva
          Senior Member
          • Wednesday, June 17, 2015
          • 13321

          #5
          Wonder what colleges / universities these interviewed kids were at. Might make a difference.

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          • Gramps
            Junior Member
            • Friday, October 4, 2013
            • 3850

            #6
            Originally posted by Lady Marva View Post
            Wonder what colleges / universities these interviewed kids were at. Might make a difference.
            It would include any that charge more than 50k per year and encourage 5+ year degrees with multiple major changes.
            Robert Francis O'Rourke, Democrat, White guy, spent ~78 million to defeat, Ted Cruz, Republican immigrant Dark guy and lost
            But the Republicans are racist.

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            • Adam
              The way to a woman's heart is through her taste buds.
              • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
              • 16885

              #7
              Welcome to 1990, Quin. This crap was going on in my freshman year, and probably before that. And I was at a rural Southern university; just imagine what it was like in the Northeast.

              Hey, if you want your kids to go to Oberlin (as Newman has chronicled in detail), then knock yourselves out. I pray deeply for my niece going to SCAD that she doesn't get sucked into all of that BS, but obviously I have no manner of controlling that (not that I would directly, but I'd like to think that she can think well enough for herself to avoid that kind of garbage).

              Many/most universities have simply become a scourge upon the nation. The Ivys are already a lost cause, Vanderbilt is a lost cause, Berkeley was a lost cause fifty years ago or more, UCLA the same, even places like Northwestern and Notre Dame are goners. They've long-since gone from places of learning and free-thinking to places of straight-up indoctrination with zero actual thought involved.

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              • scott
                Go-to Guru
                • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                • 15799

                #8
                Originally posted by Adam View Post
                Welcome to 1990, Quin. This crap was going on in my freshman year, and probably before that. And I was at a rural Southern university; just imagine what it was like in the Northeast.

                Hey, if you want your kids to go to Oberlin (as Newman has chronicled in detail), then knock yourselves out. I pray deeply for my niece going to SCAD that she doesn't get sucked into all of that BS, but obviously I have no manner of controlling that (not that I would directly, but I'd like to think that she can think well enough for herself to avoid that kind of garbage).

                Many/most universities have simply become a scourge upon the nation. The Ivys are already a lost cause, Vanderbilt is a lost cause, Berkeley was a lost cause fifty years ago or more, UCLA the same, even places like Northwestern and Notre Dame are goners. They've long-since gone from places of learning and free-thinking to places of straight-up indoctrination with zero actual thought involved.

                Right about now, I'm glad I don't have kids.
                We barely scraped by. Kaitlyn (23) was too busy partying at UNF and now she has a "big girl job" so any further college is going to be remote/commuter. She's liberal but not "woke." Valerie (22) graduated UF and completely avoided all of that bullshit. She swung from liberal to conservative to libertarian-ish now and has always thought this woke bullshit is just that. Daniel (19) doesn't give two shits and thinks it's all stupid. He chuckles at his friends that get involved in this stuff, he see it for the scam it always is. He already has a full time job at Amazon and so he's only going to college part time and taking the slow boat (which is perfectly fine, he's kicking ass and taking names at work). Jordan is just plain mean when it comes to entitled spoiled brats. She thinks political activists didn't get validation at home and/or are just acting out against their parents or just weak-minded and following whatever Tik Tok tells them.

                Part of this was hard work by Melanie and me, part of it is Grace of God, and part of this is just luck.
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                "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
                -John Locke

                "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
                -Newman

                "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
                -Newman

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                • Lady Marva
                  Senior Member
                  • Wednesday, June 17, 2015
                  • 13321

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Gramps View Post

                  It would include any that charge more than 50k per year and encourage 5+ year degrees with multiple major changes.
                  Thanks. Fer sure didn't think they were talking about students at a community college who are already out working and going to school part-time.

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