LET’S DECLARE A PANDEMIC AMNESTY

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  • Michele
    Senior Member
    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
    • 13964

    #1

    LET’S DECLARE A PANDEMIC AMNESTY

    Let’s Declare a Pandemic Amnesty - The Atlantic By Emily Oster
    ​​

    We need to forgive one another for what we did and said when we were in the dark about COVID.
    ​

    In April 2020, with nothing else to do, my family took an enormous number of hikes. We all wore cloth masks that I had made myself. We had a family hand signal, which the person in the front would use if someone was approaching on the trail and we needed to put on our masks. Once, when another child got too close to my then-4-year-old son on a bridge, he yelled at her “SOCIAL DISTANCING!”

    These precautions were totally misguided. In April 2020, no one got the coronavirus from passing someone else hiking. Outdoor transmission was vanishingly rare. Our cloth masks made out of old bandanas wouldn’t have done anything, anyway. But the thing is: We didn’t know.
    ​
    I have been reflecting on this lack of knowledge thanks to a class I’m co-teaching at Brown University on COVID. We’ve spent several lectures reliving the first year of the pandemic, discussing the many important choices we had to make under conditions of tremendous uncertainty.

    Some of these choices turned out better than others. To take an example close to my own work, there is an emerging (if not universal) consensus that schools in the U.S. were closed for too long: The health risks of in-school spread were relatively low, whereas the costs to students’ well-being and educational progress were high. The latest figures on learning loss are alarming. But in spring and summer 2020, we had only glimmers of information. Reasonable people—people who cared about children and teachers—advocated on both sides of the reopening debate.
    ​
    Another example: When the vaccines came out, we lacked definitive data on the relative efficacies of the Johnson & Johnson shot versus the mRNA options from Pfizer and Moderna. The mRNA vaccines have won out. But at the time, many people in public health were either neutral or expressed a J&J preference. This misstep wasn’t nefarious. It was the result of uncertainty.​

    Obviously some people intended to mislead and made wildly irresponsible claims. Remember when the public-health community had to spend a lot of time and resources urging Americans not to inject themselves with bleach? That was bad. Misinformation was, and remains, a huge problem. But most errors were made by people who were working in earnest for the good of society.

    Given the amount of uncertainty, almost every position was taken on every topic. And on every topic, someone was eventually proved right, and someone else was proved wrong. In some instances, the right people were right for the wrong reasons. In other instances, they had a prescient understanding of the available information.
    ​
    The people who got it right, for whatever reason, may want to gloat. Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts. All of this gloating and defensiveness continues to gobble up a lot of social energy and to drive the culture wars, especially on the internet. These discussions are heated, unpleasant and, ultimately, unproductive. In the face of so much uncertainty, getting something right had a hefty element of luck. And, similarly, getting something wrong wasn’t a moral failing. Treating pandemic choices as a scorecard on which some people racked up more points than others is preventing us from moving forward.

    We have to put these fights aside and declare a pandemic amnesty. We can leave out the willful purveyors of actual misinformation while forgiving the hard calls that people had no choice but to make with imperfect knowledge. Los Angeles County closed its beaches in summer 2020. Ex post facto, this makes no more sense than my family’s masked hiking trips. But we need to learn from our mistakes and then let them go. We need to forgive the attacks, too. Because I thought schools should reopen and argued that kids as a group were not at high risk, I was called a “teacher killer” and a “génocidaire.” It wasn’t pleasant, but feelings were high. And I certainly don’t need to dissect and rehash that time for the rest of my days.​

    Moving on is crucial now, because the pandemic created many problems that we still need to solve.

    Student test scores have shown historic declines, more so in math than in reading, and more so for students who were disadvantaged at the start. We need to collect data, experiment, and invest. Is high-dosage tutoring more or less cost-effective than extended school years? Why have some states recovered faster than others? We should focus on questions like these, because answering them is how we will help our children recover.

    Many people have neglected their health care over the past several years. Notably, routine vaccination rates for children (for measles, pertussis, etc.) are way down. Rather than debating the role that messaging about COVID vaccines had in this decline, we need to put all our energy into bringing these rates back up. Pediatricians and public-health officials will need to work together on community outreach, and politicians will need to consider school mandates.
    ​
    The standard saying is that those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. But dwelling on the mistakes of history can lead to a repetitive doom loop as well. Let’s acknowledge that we made complicated choices in the face of deep uncertainty, and then try to work together to build back and move forward.
    May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
    Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
    And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
    may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.
  • scott
    Go-to Guru
    • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
    • 15799

    #2
    She's not wrong, but when the government is still on the side of mandating boosters as much as they can, this isn't over.

    Amnesty works AFTER, not during.
    "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
    -John Locke

    "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
    -Newman

    "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
    -Newman

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    • Frostbit
      But only once
      • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
      • 22330

      #3
      No amnesty, no do over. This government screwed the pooch by and large with their COVID reaction long after data revealed they were on the wrong tract. Pfizer and Moderna are still liability free for any effects of their vaccines. The NIH, CDC, and FDA are politically corrupt. PERIOD!! No amnesty. Never forget or you will see a repeat of this fiasco.

      Furthermore, the situation demanding cookbook compliance with the accepted medical narrative at the threat of loss of license put to death the art of medicine. A robot can follow a cookbook.
      Last edited by Frostbit; Monday, October 31, 2022, 11:45 PM.
      If it pays, it stays

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      • Newman
        Behind the Iron Curtain
        • Friday, November 1, 2013
        • 25814

        #4
        Once, when another child got too close to my then-4-year-old son on a bridge, he yelled at her “SOCIAL DISTANCING!”

        I'm still revulsed by memories of thankfully infrequent encounters with such people, and I don't see a scintilla of remorse in this self-righteous essay.

        So no, no Gilda Radner "nevermind." We are far from a full accounting of the damage such people have done, much less repairing the social fabric of this country.

        • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
        • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
        • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
        • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
        • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
        • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
        • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
        • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
        • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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        • Celeste Chalfonte
          apostate
          • Saturday, October 5, 2013
          • 27897

          #5
          Originally posted by Newman View Post
          Once, when another child got too close to my then-4-year-old son on a bridge, he yelled at her “SOCIAL DISTANCING!”

          I'm still revulsed by memories of thankfully infrequent encounters with such people, and I don't see a scintilla of remorse in this self-righteous essay.

          So no, no Gilda Radner "nevermind." We are far from a full accounting of the damage such people have done, much less repairing the social fabric of this country.
          I submit that you are repelled, revolted or disgusted. "Revulsed" is a relatively recent and unwarranted neologism, a back-formation from "revulsion," much in the same unfortunate mold as "conversate."
          "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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          • Newman
            Behind the Iron Curtain
            • Friday, November 1, 2013
            • 25814

            #6
            Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post

            I submit that you are repelled, revolted or disgusted. "Revulsed" is a relatively recent and unwarranted neologism, a back-formation from "revulsion," much in the same unfortunate mold as "conversate."
            I feel revulsion, then, but watch it buster or I'll say "It makes me nauseous."

            And no snarks like "yes, you are"! I could care less, alright?

            '

            • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
            • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
            • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
            • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
            • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
            • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
            • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
            • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
            • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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            • Celeste Chalfonte
              apostate
              • Saturday, October 5, 2013
              • 27897

              #7
              Originally posted by Newman View Post
              I feel revulsion, then, but watch it buster or I'll say "It makes me nauseous."

              And no snarks like "yes, you are"! I could care less, alright?

              '
              Damn, that's a masterpiece.
              "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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              • phillygirl
                Not superior, just kind
                • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                • 19840

                #8
                Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post

                Damn, that's a masterpiece.
                You two are working on the sheet music for the off Broadway show “Grammar - The Musical” aren’t you? May I please be cast in the role of Miss Past Perfect Tense?
                Last edited by phillygirl; Tuesday, November 1, 2022, 7:52 PM.
                Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
                Robert Southwell, S.J.

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                • Celeste Chalfonte
                  apostate
                  • Saturday, October 5, 2013
                  • 27897

                  #9
                  Originally posted by phillygirl View Post

                  You too are working on the sheet music for the off Broadway show “Grammar - The Musical” aren’t you? May I please be cast in the role of Miss Past Perfect Tense?
                  Sure. I'll pull a Clint Eastwood and appear briefly as The Subjunctive.
                  "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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                  • Frostbit
                    But only once
                    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                    • 22330

                    #10
                    I definitely must be cast as the antagonister.
                    If it pays, it stays

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                    • Newman
                      Behind the Iron Curtain
                      • Friday, November 1, 2013
                      • 25814

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post

                      Sure. I'll pull a Clint Eastwood and appear briefly as The Subjunctive.


                      "Would you be feeling lucky today, punk?"


                      or something
                      Last edited by Newman; Tuesday, November 1, 2022, 9:55 PM.
                      • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
                      • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
                      • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
                      • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
                      • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
                      • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
                      • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
                      • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
                      • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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                      • Celeste Chalfonte
                        apostate
                        • Saturday, October 5, 2013
                        • 27897

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Newman View Post


                        "Would you be feeling lucky today, punk?"


                        or something
                        The quotes are lost on me. I don't actually know any of his work. I was referring to his having appeared briefly in some of the movies he directed, and I may be confusing him with someone else even so.
                        "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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                        • Lady Marva
                          Senior Member
                          • Wednesday, June 17, 2015
                          • 13321

                          #13
                          HMMM.............. OP written by a university economist.............. interesting.

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                          • Frostbit
                            But only once
                            • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                            • 22330

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post

                            The quotes are lost on me. I don't actually know any of his work. I was referring to his having appeared briefly in some of the movies he directed, and I may be confusing him with someone else even so.
                            If it pays, it stays

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                            • gary m
                              Reprobate
                              • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                              • 8016

                              #15
                              We are so fucked.

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