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  • 80zephyr
    Senior Member
    • Saturday, January 3, 2015
    • 19074

    #1

    PIERS MORGAN:

    When it comes to terror, isn’t it time we started listening seriously to Trump? How many more?

    That’s all I could think this morning as news broke of yet another ISIS terror attack, this time in Brussels.

    How many more innocent men, women and children are going to be blown to pieces by these murderous bastards?

    How many more airports, train stations, sports stadiums, restaurants or concert halls will be obliterated in a hail of suicide bombs and bullets?

    How many more world leaders will wring their hands on national television afterwards and spout pointless platitudes about the ‘poor brave victims’ and ‘heroic emergency services’?

    How many taunting, gleeful claims of responsibility will the despicable perpetrators of these evil crimes be able to issue?

    I’m sick of this, aren’t you?

    Sick of feeling sick about such endless, senseless barbarism.

    And the worst thing about it is that I see no end.

    The inherent problem which causes it, chaotic war-torn instability in the Middle East, is getting worse, not better; just as the financial and military resource of the enemy is growing greater, not reducing.

    Yet just as the world is crying out for strong decisive leadership, there is none.

    America has a demob happy President Obama eeking out his last few months in office. A man whose infamous ‘leading from behind’ philosophy to foreign policy has been partly responsible for the war in Syria raging uncontrollably for five years – allowing fundamentalism to ferment.

    Obama has zero interest in doing anything tangible to really deal with ISIS. This is now parked in the tray marked ‘next president’s problem.’

    Europe, meanwhile, is splintering at the seams, ravaged by an unprecedented migration crisis that nobody seems to have a clue how to handle.

    France, reeling from two horrendous attacks in Paris, is understandably highly fearful of yet more terror coming its way.

    Belgium officials effectively conceded today that they have no real way to protect themselves against the ISIS threat. A fact surely born out by the fact that today’s onslaught in Brussels happened right when the city most expected it, following the capture of Paris attacks suspect Saleh Abdeslam three days ago.

    Britain, surely a target anytime soon, is on red alert but its warring politicians are too distracted by the upcoming EU referendum in June to pay anything more than lame lip service to terrorism.

    So nobody seems to be doing anything concrete to stop ISIS, or even suggesting a new way to do so given the spectacular lack of success to date.

    Well almost nobody.

    By coincidence, I had an interview scheduled today with the world’s most controversial man, Donald Trump, for my UK show, Good Morning Britain.

    It was set up a couple of weeks ago, but the timing was eerily prescient.

    Here is one man who definitely has a plan to deal with ISIS terrorism. Several plans in fact.

    The problem is that people don’t like them. Well, a lot of people don’t anyway.

    Trump, current front-runner for the Republican nomination, wants to hit ISIS ‘so hard they never recover’.

    (As he told me: ‘You've got to take them out and you've got to take them out harshly and you've got to take them out fast.’)

    He also wants a short-term ban on Muslims entering the U.S. until, as he puts it, ‘we figure out what the hell is going on?’

    And he wants to torture suspects like Abdeslam with techniques like water-boarding to try and extract information about future attacks.

    Oh, and he wants to build a giant wall to stop illegal immigrants pouring over the Mexican border into America.

    George Clooney hit out at Trump yesterday, as he endorsed Democrat candidate Hillary Clinton for the presidency, saying: ‘If you listen to the loudest voices out there today, you'd think we're a country that hates Mexicans, hates Muslims, and thinks that committing war crimes is the best way to make America great again.’

    I spoke to Trump for 40 minutes. He was, as you’d expect, bombastic, defiant and self-congratulatory. Why wouldn’t he be? He’s ripped up every political rulebook to take this presidential race by storm, a scenario that is hardly going to deflate the ego of New York’s most cock-sure billionaire tycoon.

    But he also spoke in more detail about his plans to combat ISIS and I found myself nodding more than I expected.

    Trump told me countries must tighten their borders in light of these terror attacks, especially to anyone related to an ISIS fighter in Syria.

    Is he so wrong?

    He told me he wants law-abiding Muslims to root out the extremists in their midst, expressing his bafflement and anger that someone like Abdeslam was able to hide for so long in the very part of Brussels he had previously lived.

    Is he so wrong?

    He told me America must make it far harder for illegal immigrants to enter the U.S. and thinks European countries should follow suit.

    Is he so wrong?

    He told me he believes there are now areas of many major European cities which have become poisonous breeding grounds for radicalized Islamic terror.

    Is he so wrong?

    I didn’t feel I was talking to a lunatic, as many seem to view Trump.

    I saw a guy, a non-politician unfettered by PC language restraints, who is genuinely furious at the devastation which ISIS is wreaking, and seriously concerned for the security of his fellow Americans and indeed, the citizens of Europe.
    Salah Abdeslam, 26, was captured in Belgium just days ago for his part in the Paris attacks
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    Salah Abdeslam, 26, was captured in Belgium just days ago for his part in the Paris attacks

    (Remember, Trump’s from New York and felt the horror of 9/11 very personally and very deeply like all New Yorkers.)

    His plans for tackling this extraordinarily dangerous threat to the world have been widely condemned as ‘bigoted’ and ‘racist’.

    But although I publicly criticised him for the Muslim short-term ban suggestion, I’ve known Trump for ten years and I don’t believe he’s a racist.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz43m5m4wH2



    Wow, Morgan and I finally agree on something.

    Mark
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  • phillygirl
    Not superior, just kind
    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
    • 19840

    #2
    That was Pierce Morgan? I'm shocked. He's still an asshole. But I'm shocked.
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    • Michele
      Senior Member
      • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
      • 13964

      #3
      Press Secretary.
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      • Tom Servo
        Area Man
        • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
        • 5898

        #4
        My problem with Trump is highlighted in the excerpt from this Piers Morgan… whatever this is.

        He says a lot of things that sound good to a lot of people, but behind his words are no concrete details on HOW he would accomplish any of this. How'd he pay for the wall, for example? Mexico has already said "fuck you" to Trump over the accusations he'd make them pay. How'd he get around a court challenge that would surely arise over a ban on Muslim immigrants? What exactly does he propose we do to "hit ISIS hard"? How, why and where would this happen?

        He's used to having a boardroom full of sycophants nod yes to every cockamamie idea he's ever proposed. I mean, there's no other reason how Trump Steaks could have ever become a thing. Because no one has ever told him "no". But Congress and the courts are sycophant to no one. They can't even agree on what's for lunch, they sure as fuck aren't going to give him anything he wants on a gold plated platter.

        He'll learn that lesson, most likely in the first week. The next four years will all be lame ducks as far as I'm concerned because his divisive nature will cause Democrats to dig their heels in and Republicans untold embarrassment. He'll either bloviate incessantly and do nothing or capitulate and return to the two-faced monster he was before he ran for president. Or better yet, he'll grow bored of the incessant gridlock and resign a la Palin.
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        • 80zephyr
          Senior Member
          • Saturday, January 3, 2015
          • 19074

          #5
          Originally posted by Tom Servo View Post
          My problem with Trump is highlighted in the excerpt from this Piers Morgan… whatever this is.

          He says a lot of things that sound good to a lot of people, but behind his words are no concrete details on HOW he would accomplish any of this. How'd he pay for the wall, for example? Mexico has already said "fuck you" to Trump over the accusations he'd make them pay. How'd he get around a court challenge that would surely arise over a ban on Muslim immigrants? What exactly does he propose we do to "hit ISIS hard"? How, why and where would this happen?

          He's used to having a boardroom full of sycophants nod yes to every cockamamie idea he's ever proposed. I mean, there's no other reason how Trump Steaks could have ever become a thing. Because no one has ever told him "no". But Congress and the courts are sycophant to no one. They can't even agree on what's for lunch, they sure as fuck aren't going to give him anything he wants on a gold plated platter.

          He'll learn that lesson, most likely in the first week. The next four years will all be lame ducks as far as I'm concerned because his divisive nature will cause Democrats to dig their heels in and Republicans untold embarrassment. He'll either bloviate incessantly and do nothing or capitulate and return to the two-faced monster he was before he ran for president. Or better yet, he'll grow bored of the incessant gridlock and resign a la Palin.
          You could be right Tom. So what? Tell me, just who among the establishment has done anything but hand wringing? For some reason, modern politicians are scared of their own shadow, so scared of public perception that they are frozen with fear over any action they can take.

          Frankly, I am tired of being told what the politicians want me to hear.

          Thank God for the internet.

          Mark
          Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

          "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

          Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

          Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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          • Lady Marva
            Senior Member
            • Wednesday, June 17, 2015
            • 13321

            #6
            Originally posted by Tom Servo View Post
            How'd he get around a court challenge that would surely arise over a ban on Muslim immigrants?
            Why should there be a court challenge to banning muslims? Don't we Americans have a say in who we let into this country?[/quote]
            He'll learn that lesson, most likely in the first week. The next four years will all be lame ducks as far as I'm concerned because his divisive nature will cause Democrats to dig their heels in and Republicans untold embarrassment. He'll either bloviate incessantly and do nothing or capitulate and return to the two-faced monster he was before he ran for president. Or better yet, he'll grow bored of the incessant gridlock and resign a la Palin.
            Ya know, when a person buys and sells things like companies and buildings they learn how to do deals.

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            • Djharkavy
              Senior Member
              • Saturday, October 31, 2015
              • 4286

              #7
              Originally posted by Lady Marva View Post
              Why should there be a court challenge to banning muslims? Don't we Americans have a say in who we let into this country?
              We do.

              But we have a Constitution that says that government cannot discriminate on the basis of religion.


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              • Lady Marva
                Senior Member
                • Wednesday, June 17, 2015
                • 13321

                #8
                Originally posted by Djharkavy View Post
                We do.

                But we have a Constitution that says that government cannot discriminate on the basis of religion.


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                Oh? That applies to people who are not citizens that are denied entry into the country they are not citizens of?
                No. It doesn't.

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                • Djharkavy
                  Senior Member
                  • Saturday, October 31, 2015
                  • 4286

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Lady Marva View Post
                  Oh? That applies to people who are not citizens that are denied entry into the country they are not citizens of?
                  No. It doesn't.
                  The First Amendment applies to the legislature. They cannot pass discriminatory laws or policies.

                  It doesn't matter if those affected are citizens. They don't even have to be people.

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                  • Frostbit
                    But only once
                    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                    • 22330

                    #10
                    Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
                    You could be right Tom. So what? Tell me, just who among the establishment has done anything but hand wringing? For some reason, modern politicians are scared of their own shadow, so scared of public perception that they are frozen with fear over any action they can take.

                    Frankly, I am tired of being told what the politicians want me to hear.

                    Thank God for the internet.

                    Mark
                    Has anyone on here seen one word in the news about the wave of terrorist stabbings occurring in Israel? We met two people living in Israel during our road trip. Spent two days with them sharing meals and talking politics. It was amazing how similar our views were.

                    They invited us to visit the "holy land", they live in Jerusalem. The topic of terrorism was discussed in detail and the present wave of attacks include walking up quietly behind a person and stabbing them in the neck then walking away to kill another day. It's increasing in number and difficult to prevent.

                    I was shocked I had heard nothing of this. I just googled the topic now that I'm back on the grid. Appears to be true yet we hear zero about this.
                    If it pays, it stays

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                    • 80zephyr
                      Senior Member
                      • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                      • 19074

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Djharkavy View Post
                      We do.

                      But we have a Constitution that says that government cannot discriminate on the basis of religion.


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                      Bullshit. There is no such law regarding immigration, and the left knows it.

                      Mark
                      Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

                      "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

                      Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

                      Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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                      • Celeste Chalfonte
                        apostate
                        • Saturday, October 5, 2013
                        • 27897

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Frostbit View Post
                        Has anyone on here seen one word in the news about the wave of terrorist stabbings occurring in Israel? We met two people living in Israel during our road trip. Spent two days with them sharing meals and talking politics. It was amazing how similar our views were.

                        They invited us to visit the "holy land", they live in Jerusalem. The topic of terrorism was discussed in detail and the present wave of attacks include walking up quietly behind a person and stabbing them in the neck then walking away to kill another day. It's increasing in number and difficult to prevent.

                        I was shocked I had heard nothing of this. I just googled the topic now that I'm back on the grid. Appears to be true yet we hear zero about this.
                        I saw some news stories. The one-on-one stuff, although it's a very effective terrorist tactic, doesn't get the newsplay that mass murder does. It's just a matter of what grabs the audience. Bombs do; knives don't.
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                        • 80zephyr
                          Senior Member
                          • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                          • 19074

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Djharkavy View Post
                          The First Amendment applies to the legislature. They cannot pass discriminatory laws or policies.

                          It doesn't matter if those affected are citizens. They don't even have to be people.

                          Sent from my phone, using Tapatalk.
                          All mistakes are caused by the phone.
                          That's my story and I'm sticking to it...
                          Wrong yet again. Dj, do you know why we took the terrorists prisoners to Gitmo?


                          Mark
                          Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

                          "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

                          Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

                          Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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                          • Michele
                            Senior Member
                            • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                            • 13964

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Frostbit View Post
                            Has anyone on here seen one word in the news about the wave of terrorist stabbings occurring in Israel? We met two people living in Israel during our road trip. Spent two days with them sharing meals and talking politics. It was amazing how similar our views were.

                            They invited us to visit the "holy land", they live in Jerusalem. The topic of terrorism was discussed in detail and the present wave of attacks include walking up quietly behind a person and stabbing them in the neck then walking away to kill another day. It's increasing in number and difficult to prevent.

                            I was shocked I had heard nothing of this. I just googled the topic now that I'm back on the grid. Appears to be true yet we hear zero about this.
                            I know about it because I have a friend in Israel and she posts about the attacks on her FB. It's not only been going on for a while but it's also frequent. I saw one video where the terrorist was running away from one stabbing and stabbed a driver who had their window rolled down. Knives are easy to get and carry.
                            May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
                            Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
                            And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
                            may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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                            • Lady Marva
                              Senior Member
                              • Wednesday, June 17, 2015
                              • 13321

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Frostbit View Post
                              Has anyone on here seen one word in the news about the wave of terrorist stabbings occurring in Israel? We met two people living in Israel during our road trip. Spent two days with them sharing meals and talking politics. It was amazing how similar our views were.

                              They invited us to visit the "holy land", they live in Jerusalem. The topic of terrorism was discussed in detail and the present wave of attacks include walking up quietly behind a person and stabbing them in the neck then walking away to kill another day. It's increasing in number and difficult to prevent.

                              I was shocked I had heard nothing of this. I just googled the topic now that I'm back on the grid. Appears to be true yet we hear zero about this.
                              Some of us pay attention.
                              But to the world Israel and Jews are just background noise.

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