How The Liberal Welfare State Destroyed Black America

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  • 80zephyr
    Senior Member
    • Saturday, January 3, 2015
    • 19074

    #1

    How The Liberal Welfare State Destroyed Black America

    What Democrat voters and political leaders refuse to believe.

    An excerpt:

    The economic milieu in which the War on Poverty arose is noteworthy. As of 1965, the number of Americans living below the official poverty line had been declining continuously since the beginning of the decade and was only about half of what it had been fifteen years earlier. Between 1950 and 1965, the proportion of people whose earnings put them below the poverty level, had decreased by more than 30%. The black poverty rate in particular had been cut nearly in half between 1940 and 1960. And in various skilled trades during the period of 1936-59, the incomes of blacks relative to those of whites had more than doubled.

    Despite these trends, the welfare state expanded dramatically after LBJ's statement. Between the mid-Sixties and the mid-Seventies, the dollar value of public housing quintupled and the amount spent on food stamps rose more than tenfold. From 1965-69, government-provided benefits increased by a factor of 8; by 1974 such benefits were an astounding 20 times higher than they had been in 1965. Also as of 1974, federal spending on social-welfare programs amounted to 16% of America’s Gross National Product, a far cry from the 8% figure of 1960. By 1977 the number of people receiving public assistance had more than doubled since 1960.

    The most devastating by-product of the mushrooming welfare state was the corrosive effect it had on American family life, particularly in the black community. As provisions in welfare laws offered ever-increasing economic incentives for shunning marriage and avoiding the formation of two-parent families, illegitimacy rates rose dramatically.

    For the next few decades, means-tested welfare programs such as food stamps, public housing, Medicaid, day care, and Temporary Assistance to Needy Families penalized marriage. A mother generally received far more money from welfare if she was single rather than married. Once she took a husband, her benefits were instantly reduced by roughly 10 to 20 percent. As a Cato Institute study noted, welfare programs for the poor incentivize the very behaviors that are most likely to perpetuate poverty. Another Cato report observed:

    “Of course women do not get pregnant just to get welfare benefits.... But, by removing the economic consequences of out-of-wedlock birth, welfare has removed a major incentive to avoid such pregnancies. A teenager looking around at her friends and neighbors is liable to see several who have given birth out-of- wedlock. When she sees that they have suffered few visible consequences ... she is less inclined to modify her own behavior to prevent pregnancy.... Current welfare policies seem to be designed with an appalling lack of concern for their impact on out-of-wedlock births. Indeed, Medicaid programs in 11 states actually provide infertility treatments to single women on welfare.”


    And another:

    The devastating societal consequences of family breakdown cannot be overstated. Father-absent families—black and white alike—generally occupy the bottom rung of America's economic ladder. Regardless of race or ethnicity, the poverty rate for single parents with children is several times higher than the corresponding rate for married couples with children. According to Robert Rector, senior research fellow with the Heritage Foundation, “the absence of marriage increases the frequency of child poverty 700 percent” and thus constitutes the single most reliable predictor of a self-perpetuating underclass. Articulating a similar theme many years ago, Martin Luther King, Jr. said, “Nothing is so much needed as a secure family life for a people to pull themselves out of poverty.”

    Children in single-parent households are burdened not only with economic, but also profound social and psychological, disadvantages. For example, youngsters raised by single parents, as compared to those who grow up in intact married homes, are more likely to be physically abused; to display emotional disorders; to smoke, drink, and use drugs; to perform poorly in school; to be suspended or expelled from school; to drop out of high school; to behave aggressively and violently; to be arrested for a juvenile crime; to serve jail time before age 30; and to go on to experience poverty as adults. According to the National Fatherhood Initiative, 60% of rapists, 72% of adolescent murderers, and 70% of long-term prison inmates are men who grew up in fatherless homes. With regard to girls in particular, those raised by single mothers are more than twice as likely to give birth out-of-wedlock, thereby perpetuating the cycle of poverty for yet another generation.



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    We have talked about single parenthood on this forum before, and some here tried to tell me it wasn't much of a problem. I guess I call bullshit on that.

    Mark
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  • scott
    Go-to Guru
    • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
    • 15799

    #2
    3 generations of not knowing how to build wealth and no incentive to actually try. We're a long way from the institutional racism putting up roadblocks but the cure is worse than the disease.

    It was a terrible idea to provide cradle to grave welfare to make up for sins of the past. They should have just put a bunch of money in their hands in the 1960s and said "there, now we're even." I say that not completely tongue in cheek because that would have helped most of the people in that situation and prevented almost all the problems we have today.
    "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
    -John Locke

    "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
    -Newman

    "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
    -Newman

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    • phillygirl
      Not superior, just kind
      • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
      • 19840

      #3
      Originally posted by scott View Post
      3 generations of not knowing how to build wealth and no incentive to actually try. We're a long way from the institutional racism putting up roadblocks but the cure is worse than the disease.

      It was a terrible idea to provide cradle to grave welfare to make up for sins of the past. They should have just put a bunch of money in their hands in the 1870's and said "there, now we're even." I say that not completely tongue in cheek because that would have helped most of the people in that situation and prevented almost all the problems we have today.
      Honestly, freeing the slaves, but then not doing much about "equality" back then was a major part of the problem. But I do agree with you. Blacks in the U.S. made far more progress from 1900-1960 than they did from 1960-2016. There's a reason for that.
      Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
      Robert Southwell, S.J.

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      • Gingersnap
        Resident stylistic consultant
        • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
        • 24058

        #4
        Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
        Honestly, freeing the slaves, but then not doing much about "equality" back then was a major part of the problem. But I do agree with you. Blacks in the U.S. made far more progress from 1900-1960 than they did from 1960-2016. There's a reason for that.
        But nobody was thinking about doing much for the illiterate white share croppers then, either. Those people had the same day-to-day hardships. They starved on corn. Their wives were beaten or worked to death. Their kids blew up and died from hook worms. Their kids died in various wars in combat positions. Their dads drank themselves to death.

        Welcome to human life.

        We have to stop doing this. If every woman who was an ancestral descendant of rape or abuse sat on her rear and claimed that she needed special treatment because her great-granny got raped or whipped, the entire world would grind to a halt.

        All the women raped and beaten. All the women refused schooling or the vote. All the women who worked and saw their money turned into liquor or gambling debts. All the women who supported and nursed and cleaned up after rotten men and rotten sons.

        Now, we don't do that because it's insane. Women aren't perpetual victims. Nobody should be.
        "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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        • scott
          Go-to Guru
          • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
          • 15799

          #5
          Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
          But nobody was thinking about doing much for the illiterate white share croppers then, either. Those people had the same day-to-day hardships. They starved on corn. Their wives were beaten or worked to death. Their kids blew up and died from hook worms. Their kids died in various wars in combat positions. Their dads drank themselves to death.

          Welcome to human life.

          We have to stop doing this. If every woman who was an ancestral descendant of rape or abuse sat on her rear and claimed that she needed special treatment because her great-granny got raped or whipped, the entire world would grind to a halt.

          All the women raped and beaten. All the women refused schooling or the vote. All the women who worked and saw their money turned into liquor or gambling debts. All the women who supported and nursed and cleaned up after rotten men and rotten sons.

          Now, we don't do that because it's insane. Women aren't perpetual victims. Nobody should be.
          Valid points but the institutional racism was very real. It's a major factor contributing to today's morass.
          "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
          -John Locke

          "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
          -Newman

          "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
          -Newman

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          • Gingersnap
            Resident stylistic consultant
            • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
            • 24058

            #6
            Originally posted by scott View Post
            Valid points but the institutional racism was very real. It's a major factor contributing to today's morass.
            Institutional sexism was way realer for way longer and it's still happening. Muslims are raping and enslaving women. Human traffickers are raping and enslaving women. Women are being pushed out of sports and bathrooms.

            Does that mean I get special attention in the form of unearned money? No. I have to work, invest, manage my finances, stay away from the law, stay away from substance abuse, help my neighbors, give to charities, protect my money from the government, and maintain an attractive curbside view.
            "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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            • scott
              Go-to Guru
              • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
              • 15799

              #7
              Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
              Institutional sexism was way realer for way longer and it's still happening. Muslims are raping and enslaving women. Human traffickers are raping and enslaving women. Women are being pushed out of sports and bathrooms.

              Does that mean I get special attention in the form of unearned money? No. I have to work, invest, manage my finances, stay away from the law, stay away from substance abuse, help my neighbors, give to charities, protect my money from the government, and maintain an attractive curbside view.
              You did not grow up in a Muslim country, neither did your parents or grandparents.

              It makes a difference.
              "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
              -John Locke

              "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
              -Newman

              "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
              -Newman

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              • Gingersnap
                Resident stylistic consultant
                • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                • 24058

                #8
                Originally posted by scott View Post
                You did not grow up in a Muslim country, neither did your parents or grandparents.

                It makes a difference.
                Yep, it does make a difference. I am not brainwashed into believing that I am a genetically inferior being with little hope of heaven. But even Muslim women can throw off that crap and own businesses and walk around without tent outfits. They can here, anyway.

                In the 1970s/1980s when leaders imposed secular governments in Egypt, Iran, etc., women threw off the veil, went to school, invested in business, bought shops, and ran for office. They weren't looking back.

                They'd been beaten, raped, cut off from public life, cheated out of inheritance, and constantly demeaned as evil, stupid, sex-crazed minions of Satan.

                In 20 years they became eye surgeons and political saviors until they were shoved into tent-clothing and stripped of their new rights.

                Women don't look back. If you give us a shot, we take it and we run with it. We don't sit and whine that you put us in hoods and raped us for the past 2,000 years.

                If we, who have so many genuine, world-wide causes to complain and reject cultural and national status issues get up and work like dogs when we get the chance, how much more can we ask of differently colored men who are stronger, less burdened with children, and have fewer health issues under 50?
                "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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                • Lady Marva
                  Senior Member
                  • Wednesday, June 17, 2015
                  • 13321

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
                  If we, who have so many genuine, world-wide causes to complain and reject cultural and national status issues get up and work like dogs when we get the chance, how much more can we ask of differently colored men who are stronger, less burdened with children, and have fewer health issues under 50?
                  We have to respect the culture that says they must get street cred by being jailbirds.

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                  • 80zephyr
                    Senior Member
                    • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                    • 19074

                    #10
                    Originally posted by phillygirl;67617[B
                    ]Honestly, freeing the slaves, but then not doing much about "equality" back then was a major part of the problem. [/B] But I do agree with you. Blacks in the U.S. made far more progress from 1900-1960 than they did from 1960-2016. There's a reason for that.
                    From the looks of the statistics, I disagree with you. The blacks were allowed to "make their own way" without any help from anyone, just like every other person alive in 1865 had to do. And they were assimilating very well until we tried to "help" them.

                    Full disclosure. During LBJ's "Great Society" programs I was completely on board with helping the blacks thru these programs. But now I can see they are a dismal failure and would like them abolished.

                    Unlike the left, I learned from my mistaken beliefs.

                    Mark
                    Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

                    "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

                    Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

                    Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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                    • phillygirl
                      Not superior, just kind
                      • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                      • 19840

                      #11
                      Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
                      From the looks of the statistics, I disagree with you. The blacks were allowed to "make their own way" without any help from anyone, just like every other person alive in 1865 had to do. And they were assimilating very well until we tried to "help" them.

                      Full disclosure. During LBJ's "Great Society" programs I was completely on board with helping the blacks thru these programs. But now I can see they are a dismal failure and would like them abolished.

                      Unlike the left, I learned from my mistaken beliefs.

                      Mark
                      Yes, we let them make their own way. We freed them and said "good luck". And we continued about our business of institutional racism. Do I think the affirmative action is necessary now? No. I think we did the country a disservice back in the 60's. For a limited time until we could get to an even keel it was necessary. We've lost ground since the 60's. So, I think we somewhat agree on this, and are perhaps now counting the number of angels dancing on the head of a pin.
                      Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
                      Robert Southwell, S.J.

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                      • 80zephyr
                        Senior Member
                        • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                        • 19074

                        #12
                        Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
                        Yes, we let them make their own way. We freed them and said "good luck". And we continued about our business of institutional racism. Do I think the affirmative action is necessary now? No. I think we did the country a disservice back in the 60's. For a limited time until we could get to an even keel it was necessary. We've lost ground since the 60's. So, I think we somewhat agree on this, and are perhaps now counting the number of angels dancing on the head of a pin.
                        I think we agree. We did have racism, of course, but I believe that if we had let them to continue to make their own way, most of that would have disappeared on its own.

                        Mark
                        Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

                        "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

                        Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

                        Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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                        • phillygirl
                          Not superior, just kind
                          • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                          • 19840

                          #13
                          Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
                          I think we agree. We did have racism, of course, but I believe that if we had let them to continue to make their own way, most of that would have disappeared on its own.

                          Mark
                          A lot of it would have. There are certainly different factors at play with blacks in this country, as opposed to, for example, the Irish and other immigrants that also were mistreated and met with hostility and prejudice. A major difference is that most of the black population did not arrive here of their own free will, and arrived as not only enslaved people, but people that were viewed as of a different species and less than human...mere chattel. That mindset takes longer to eradicate. And then I believe we did a real disservice by continuing to treat them as less capable by insisting that we take care of them, rather than take care of themselves. Our nation swung from viewing them as property, to viewing them to be pitied, and then when the pendulum swung to give them special status, there came resentment. It's not easy to overcome all of those negative feelings and perceptions. But as a nation, we have clearly failed.
                          Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
                          Robert Southwell, S.J.

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                          • Celeste Chalfonte
                            apostate
                            • Saturday, October 5, 2013
                            • 27897

                            #14
                            Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
                            I think we agree. We did have racism, of course, but I believe that if we had let them to continue to make their own way, most of that would have disappeared on its own.

                            Mark
                            Do you also believe in the Easter Bunny?

                            Yes, despite inferior schools and being systematically shut out of almost all well-paid job categories, even if they had somehow managed to get an advanced degree, black Americans were individually making their own way. And when they accrued enough money to move to a better neighborhood, attend a better school and join the Rotary or Kiwanis or country club, they were prevented from doing so by restrictive covenants (in virtually every deed issued south of the Mason/Dixon and many north of it), counties that would close down their entire school system rather than desegregate and overtly racist organizational rules.
                            "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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                            • 80zephyr
                              Senior Member
                              • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                              • 19074

                              #15
                              Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
                              A lot of it would have. There are certainly different factors at play with blacks in this country, as opposed to, for example, the Irish and other immigrants that also were mistreated and met with hostility and prejudice. A major difference is that most of the black population did not arrive here of their own free will, and arrived as not only enslaved people, but people that were viewed as of a different species and less than human...mere chattel. That mindset takes longer to eradicate. And then I believe we did a real disservice by continuing to treat them as less capable by insisting that we take care of them, rather than take care of themselves. Our nation swung from viewing them as property, to viewing them to be pitied, and then when the pendulum swung to give them special status, there came resentment. It's not easy to overcome all of those negative feelings and perceptions. But as a nation, we have clearly failed.




                              Mark
                              Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

                              "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

                              Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

                              Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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