'Alternative Facts': The Needless Lies of the Trump Administration

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  • Billy Jingo
    I shave with Occam's Razor
    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
    • 18663

    #1

    'Alternative Facts': The Needless Lies of the Trump Administration

    'Alternative Facts': The Needless Lies of the Trump Administration

    If the president and his aides will tell easily disproven falsehoods about crowd sizes and speeches, what else will they be willing to dissemble about?




    One of the many things that is remarkable about the Trump administration is its devotion, even in its first days, to a particular variety of pointless falsehood.

    Mendacity among politicians and the spokespeople hired to spin for them runs across eras and aisles, though it is true that some are more honest than others, and Donald Trump was a historically dishonest presidential candidate. But the Trump administration has displayed a commitment to needlessly lying that is confounding to even the most cynical observers of American politics.

    No incident better summarizes this than a bizarre briefing by White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer on Saturday. Speaking in the Brady Briefing Room, Spicer laid into the assembled reporters.

    “Yesterday, at a time when our nation and the world was watching the peaceful transition of power and, as the president said, the transition and the balance of power from Washington to the citizens of the United States, some members of the media were engaged in deliberately false reporting,” he charged.

    He then went on at length, attacking reporters, particularly one from The New York Times, for tweeting photographs comparing the size of the crowd at Friday’s inauguration unfavorably with Barack Obama’s first inauguration. (That image was retweeted from the National Park Service’s account, prompting a brief Twitter freeze at the Interior Department.)

    “Inaccurate numbers involving crowd size were also tweeted,” Spicer continued, because the NPS did not count. (My colleague Robinson Meyer explained how crowd counts at events like the inauguration come about.) He incorrectly characterized ridership statistics provided by WMATA, D.C.’s transit authority.

    Then came the big whopper: “This was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration—period—both in person and around the globe.”

    Spicer’s statement required dismissing all available evidence: ridership count, eyewitness testimony, independent crowd-counts, and Nielsen television ratings. Spicer cut his teeth at the Republican National Committee as the combative voice of a body often at odds with the media, but even by those standards, his furious insistence on assertions at odds with the evidence were peculiar.
    “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

    ~ Omar El Akkad
    ​
  • 80zephyr
    Senior Member
    • Saturday, January 3, 2015
    • 19074

    #2
    Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
    'Alternative Facts': The Needless Lies of the Trump Administration

    If the president and his aides will tell easily disproven falsehoods about crowd sizes and speeches, what else will they be willing to dissemble about?




    One of the many things that is remarkable about the Trump administration is its devotion, even in its first days, to a particular variety of pointless falsehood.

    Mendacity among politicians and the spokespeople hired to spin for them runs across eras and aisles, though it is true that some are more honest than others, and Donald Trump was a historically dishonest presidential candidate. But the Trump administration has displayed a commitment to needlessly lying that is confounding to even the most cynical observers of American politics.

    No incident better summarizes this than a bizarre briefing by White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer on Saturday. Speaking in the Brady Briefing Room, Spicer laid into the assembled reporters.

    “Yesterday, at a time when our nation and the world was watching the peaceful transition of power and, as the president said, the transition and the balance of power from Washington to the citizens of the United States, some members of the media were engaged in deliberately false reporting,” he charged.

    He then went on at length, attacking reporters, particularly one from The New York Times, for tweeting photographs comparing the size of the crowd at Friday’s inauguration unfavorably with Barack Obama’s first inauguration. (That image was retweeted from the National Park Service’s account, prompting a brief Twitter freeze at the Interior Department.)

    “Inaccurate numbers involving crowd size were also tweeted,” Spicer continued, because the NPS did not count. (My colleague Robinson Meyer explained how crowd counts at events like the inauguration come about.) He incorrectly characterized ridership statistics provided by WMATA, D.C.’s transit authority.

    Then came the big whopper: “This was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration—period—both in person and around the globe.”

    Spicer’s statement required dismissing all available evidence: ridership count, eyewitness testimony, independent crowd-counts, and Nielsen television ratings. Spicer cut his teeth at the Republican National Committee as the combative voice of a body often at odds with the media, but even by those standards, his furious insistence on assertions at odds with the evidence were peculiar.
    And why did the Times do this? Simply to denigrate Trump.

    BTW, since 95% of DC and surrounding areas is liberal, I would expect attendance to soar for a Democratic president.

    Mark
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    • Billy Jingo
      I shave with Occam's Razor
      • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
      • 18663

      #3
      Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
      And why did the Times do this? Simply to denigrate Trump.
      Yeah, yeah. The facts have a notoriously liberal bias.
      “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

      ~ Omar El Akkad
      ​

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      • Billy Jingo
        I shave with Occam's Razor
        • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
        • 18663

        #4
        Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
        BTW, since 95% of DC and surrounding areas is liberal, I would expect attendance to soar for a Democratic president.

        Mark
        You should be facing the press for Trump. Apply for the job. You can spin the facts as opposed to denying they exist.
        “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

        ~ Omar El Akkad
        ​

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        • 80zephyr
          Senior Member
          • Saturday, January 3, 2015
          • 19074

          #5
          Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
          Yeah, yeah. The facts have a notoriously liberal bias.
          That has nothing to do with what I stated.

          And you know it.

          Mark
          Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

          "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

          Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

          Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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          • 80zephyr
            Senior Member
            • Saturday, January 3, 2015
            • 19074

            #6
            Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
            You should be facing the press for Trump. Apply for the job. You can spin the facts as opposed to denying they exist.
            I never denied they existed. Why do you keep defending the leftist media?

            Mark
            Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

            "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

            Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

            Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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            • scott
              Go-to Guru
              • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
              • 15799

              #7
              I wonder if Trump is going to win Lie of the Year.
              "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
              -John Locke

              "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
              -Newman

              "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
              -Newman

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              • Billy Jingo
                I shave with Occam's Razor
                • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                • 18663

                #8
                Originally posted by scott View Post
                I wonder if Trump is going to win Lie of the Year.
                I think a better question would be which lie he tells will be the Lie of the Year.
                “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

                ~ Omar El Akkad
                ​

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                • scott
                  Go-to Guru
                  • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                  • 15799

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                  I think a better question would be which lie he tells will be the Lie of the Year.
                  So funny.

                  You hate him almost as much as you hated Bush '43
                  "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
                  -John Locke

                  "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
                  -Newman

                  "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
                  -Newman

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                  • Norm dePlume
                    Err foil
                    • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                    • 14904

                    #10
                    Originally posted by scott View Post
                    I wonder if Trump is going to win Lie of the Year.
                    It doesn't matter, since you've already written off the sites that assign such things. That's the point of the Trump administration's dissembling. They know they can't win the call. They're out to discredit the referee so that in the future the calls won't matter. Objective facts will still be around. They'll just be secondary in importance to supporting the team.
                    Enjoy.

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                    • 80zephyr
                      Senior Member
                      • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                      • 19074

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                      It doesn't matter, since you've already written off the sites that assign such things. That's the point of the Trump administration's dissembling. They know they can't win the call. They're out to discredit the referee so that in the future the calls won't matter. Objective facts will still be around. They'll just be secondary in importance to supporting the team.

                      Bwhahahaha. This coming from a guy who supported a president that couldn't use the words "radical Islamic terrorist".

                      Please.

                      Mark
                      Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

                      "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

                      Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

                      Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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                      • Billy Jingo
                        I shave with Occam's Razor
                        • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                        • 18663

                        #12
                        Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
                        Bwhahahaha. This coming from a guy who supported a president that couldn't use the words "radical Islamic terrorist".

                        Please.

                        Mark
                        And now because your president has used those magic words, they have disappeared.
                        “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

                        ~ Omar El Akkad
                        ​

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                        • scott
                          Go-to Guru
                          • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                          • 15799

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                          It doesn't matter, since you've already written off the sites that assign such things. That's the point of the Trump administration's dissembling. They know they can't win the call. They're out to discredit the referee so that in the future the calls won't matter. Objective facts will still be around. They'll just be secondary in importance to supporting the team.
                          If Trump wins Lie of the Year I assure you I won't write it off as partisan hackery.
                          "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
                          -John Locke

                          "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
                          -Newman

                          "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
                          -Newman

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                          • scott
                            Go-to Guru
                            • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                            • 15799

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                            And now because your president has used those magic words, they have disappeared.
                            Not yet, but identifying the enemy is the first step.
                            "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
                            -John Locke

                            "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
                            -Newman

                            "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
                            -Newman

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                            • Novaheart
                              Guardian of civilization
                              • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                              • 6070

                              #15
                              It was a stupid statement and a stupid thing to complain about. In the first place you wouldn't expect a bigger turnout for this inauguration then you would for Obama's. Obama was the first and there are more than a million black people living within 40 miles of Washington DC in addition to the fact that the entire city is democratic. If I weren't completely averse to crowd scenes I probably would have gone had I been in the area. So it was a stupid thing to get upset about.

                              It was also a stupid thing for the press to make a point of. The popularity contest is over and Trump won.

                              Having said all that you do have to look at the precise words being used and in this case Spicer employed the liberal tactic of mixing 2 things together one of which can be measured and one of which can't. By saying that it is the world's largest worldwide audience he's probably correct. The show on the mall and the parade route was definitely lacking and absolutely none of this has anything to do with the size of the crowd that demonstrated the next day. We already know that Democrats like to demonstrate more than Republicans do.
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                              And day's at the morn;
                              Morning's at seven;
                              The hill-side's dew-pearled;
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                              The snail's on the thorn:
                              God's in his heaven—
                              All's right with the world!

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