Video of teacher’s confrontation with Border Patrol agent goes viral

[Lady Marva]

Who knew the border patrol could do this................

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/vid...ral/ar-AAoOl2H
SAN DIEGO – Video of a San Diego teacher's tense confrontation with Border Patrol agents at a checkpoint in New Mexico has gone viral after she was asked if she was an American citizen, reports CBS San Diego affiliate KFMB-TV.

San Diego mother and middle school teacher Shane Parmely refused to answer.

"As the back-and-forth began, Parmely is heard on the video remarking, "I'm passing (on) a federally-funded highway, driving, minding my own business. And I get pulled over and asked if I'm a citizen."
Turning around to address someone in the back seat, Parmely says, "I'm not answering."
She tells an agent, "You can ask me. I don't have to answer."
As Parmely's family recorded the lengthy interaction, which she posted on her Facebook page, an agent showed her a card listing immigration law.

Parmely: "Am I free to go, or are you detaining me?"
Agent: "You are being detained, mam."

Parmely's friend, Gretta Rodriguez, later told KFMB, "(Shane's) kids don't go through any of that. And so every time we go, my kids get aggressively interrogated. *And so they've learned to deal with it."
Parmely said she refused to answer in a show of solidarity with some of her friends who say they or their children have been aggressively interrogated by Border Patrol agents.
"It's horrifying to hear what has happened to my friends' kids, who are just brown," she said.

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[Frostbit]

Two years ago on our road trip (pre-Trump) we went through and were questioned at more roadstops in Texas than we experienced in Zimbabwe.

[Lady Marva]

Two years ago on our road trip (pre-Trump) we went through and were questioned at more roadstops in Texas than we experienced in Zimbabwe.

How many illegals try to get into Zimbabwe.....................

[Billy Jingo]

Paperz Pleez

[Frostbit]

How many illegals try to get into Zimbabwe.....................

The police are corrupt and put up roadblocks to extort passengers in vehicles in Zim.

[Tom Servo]

Who knew the border patrol could do this................

This really shouldn't surprise anyone. The CBP's "border zone" where they exercise incredible powers over anyone — citizens or not — is 100 miles from any land or sea border. If you look at the map on the ACLU website, you can see just how much of the US is part of this zone. Nearly 2/3rds of the US population falls within this area, which means over half of us are subject to being detained for pretty much any reason at all, at any time, by Border Patrol agents at checkpoints.

This whole thing rests on (in my opinion) shaky legal ground. The US government has affirmed that citizen rights don't apply at border crossings, and the CBP has managed to wrangle those same exemptions to the entire 100 mile zone.

Sadly, most people are unaware of this because most people don't realize that their rights are being undermined when they're stopped and asked if they are a citizen when they're driving through El Paso or Tucson. It's happened to me a few times in my travels and while I thought it was odd, it was not something I'd even ponder as being on Constitutionally shaky ground. On vacation, ya don't want to cause problems!

So while I give props to this teacher for her "teachable moment" for the kids, it was kind of pointless because courts have affirmed that it's completely legal to detain citizens and grill them on anything and everything in the name of fighting terrah/illegal immygrashun.

[JB]

Paperz Pleez

Where have you been? The Supreme Court has been on board with this for decades.

You need to be stopped more often. Do you live within 100?

[JB]

So while I give props to this teacher for her "teachable moment" for the kids, it was kind of pointless because courts have affirmed that it's completely legal to detain citizens and grill them on anything and everything in the name of fighting terrah/illegal immygrashun.

I love when Liberals misspell like that, like neither actually exists. Well done.

And obviously we need to up our game on this action because illegal immigration is out of control. Until recently that is, thanks to President Trump. Let's hope terror stays in check too. Not sure about terrah.

[Lady Marva]

So while I give props to this teacher for her "teachable moment" for the kids, it was kind of pointless because courts have affirmed that it's completely legal to detain citizens and grill them on anything and everything in the name of fighting terrah/illegal immygrashun.

Thanks for the info. Thought kinda crossed my mind that she was endangering the kids, esp. if the guns decided to force something.

[Gingersnap]

Incredibly, the rest of the world is pretty up-to-speed on this. You have to prove you are who you say you are in many international situations. So, it's a "Papers, please" world.

I wish it wasn't but I get why it is - money. All those sophisticated EU countries are hemorrhaging money to care for illegal aliens that are net users - not net payers.

I remember being horrified when Canada and the U.S. started requiring proof. As a kid, we just drove over to see our Lake of the Woods relatives.

Now I get it.

[Celeste Chalfonte]

Incredibly, the rest of the world is pretty up-to-speed on this. You have to prove you are who you say you are in many international situations. So, it's a "Papers, please" world.

I wish it wasn't but I get why it is - money. All those sophisticated EU countries are hemorrhaging money to care for illegal aliens that are net users - not net payers.

I remember being horrified when Canada and the U.S. started requiring proof. As a kid, we just drove over to see our Lake of the Woods relatives.

Now I get it.

I reject that rationalization. If it were like seatbelt violations - not a primary violation, but one that can be charged if there's good cause to stop the person for a moving violation - I could go with that. Stopping people for nothing more than driving while brown? No.

[Gingersnap]

I reject that rationalization. If it were like seatbelt violations - not a primary violation, but one that can be charged if there's good cause to stop the person for a moving violation - I could go with that. Stopping people for nothing more than driving while brown? No.

You get that in most of the world you get asked regardless, right? Like try to enter Estonia from Sweden; you'd better have your docs and both those stopping and those stopped often look exactly like me.

[Celeste Chalfonte]

You get that in most of the world you get asked regardless, right? Like try to enter Estonia from Sweden; you'd better have your docs and both those stopping and those stopped often look exactly like me.

We're not talking about entering one small country from another small country. We're talking about US Border Patrol operating without restraint 100 miles from the nearest international border, making stops for no articulable reason except the color of the detainee's skin.

ETA: And you seem to think I give a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut how the rest of the world does it. This country exists because my people were sick of how the Old World did things.

[Gingersnap]

We're not talking about entering one small country from another small country. We're talking about US Border Patrol operating without restraint 100 miles from the nearest international border, making stops for no articulable reason except the color of the detainee's skin.

ETA: And you seem to think I give a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut how the rest of the world does it. This country exists because my people were sick of how the Old World did things.

Oops! Totally get how your folks were way smarter than mine since mine got here so late despite being white and everything.

Of course one way to solve this is how Estonia does it: don't care what your skin tone is: papers.

Naturally Estonia doesn't have millions of illegal aliens flooding the country so they don't really have a cultural reaction to that issue since it isn't as much of an issue.

[Celeste Chalfonte]

Oops! Totally get how your folks were way smarter than mine since mine got here so late despite being white and everything.

Of course one way to solve this is how Estonia does it: don't care what your skin tone is: papers.

Naturally Estonia doesn't have millions of illegal aliens flooding the country so they don't really have a cultural reaction to that issue since it isn't as much of an issue.

Just so happens there weren't a lot of disgruntled Scandinavians, Eastern Europeans, Greeks, etc. who picked up lock, stock and barrel and settled on relatively unexplored continent. Maybe their countries weren't as oppressive back then as those that later became the present-day UK. The concept of not having to submit to search without a good reason (and having to produce "your papers" IS a search) was important enough to the people who established this country that they enshrined it in the Constitution. You know, that document you righties like to wave around when it agrees with you, and ignore when it doesn't.