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  • Billy Jingo
    I shave with Occam's Razor
    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
    • 18663

    #1

    John Kelly and the Language of the Military Coup

    John Kelly and the Language of the Military Coup

    Consider this nightmare scenario: a military coup. You don’t have to strain your imagination—all you have to do is watch Thursday’s White House press briefing, in which the chief of staff, John Kelly, defended President Trump’s phone call to a military widow, Myeshia Johnson. The press briefing could serve as a preview of what a military coup in this country would look like, for it was in the logic of such a coup that Kelly advanced his four arguments.

    Argument 1. Those who criticize the President don’t know what they’re talking about because they haven’t served in the military. To demonstrate how little lay people know, Kelly provided a long, detailed explanation of what happens when a soldier is killed in battle: the body is wrapped in whatever is handy, flown by helicopter, then packed in ice, then flown again, then repacked, then flown, then embalmed and dressed in uniform with medals, and then flown home. Kelly provided a similar amount of detail about how family members are notified of the death, when, and by whom. He even recommended a film that dramatized the process of transporting the body of a real-life marine, Private First Class Chance Phelps. This was a Trumpian moment, from the phrasing—“a very, very good movie”—to the message. Kelly stressed that Phelps “was killed under my command, right next to me”; in other words, Kelly’s real-life experience was recreated for television, and that, he seemed to think, bolstered his authority.

    Fallen soldiers, Kelly said, join “the best one per cent this country produces.” Here, the chief of staff again reminded his audience of its ignorance: “Most of you, as Americans, don’t know them. Many of you don’t know anyone who knows any of them. But they are the very best this country produces.”

    The one-per-cent figure is puzzling. The number of people currently serving in the military, both on active duty and in the reserves, is not even one per cent of all Americans. The number of veterans in the population is far higher: more than seven per cent. But, later in the speech, when Kelly described his own distress after hearing the criticism of Trump’s phone call, the general said that he had gone to “walk among the finest men and women on this earth. And you can always find them because they’re in Arlington National Cemetery.” So, by “the best” Americans, Kelly had meant dead Americans—specifically, fallen soldiers.

    The number of Americans killed in all the wars this nation has ever fought is indeed equal to roughly one per cent of all Americans alive today. This makes for questionable math and disturbing logic. It is in totalitarian societies, which demand complete mobilization, that dying for one’s country becomes the ultimate badge of honor. Growing up in the Soviet Union, I learned the names of ordinary soldiers who threw their bodies onto enemy tanks, becoming literal cannon fodder. All of us children had to aspire to the feat of martyrdom. No Soviet general would have dared utter the kind of statement that’s attributed to General George S. Patton: “The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.”
    “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

    ~ Omar El Akkad
    ​
  • phillygirl
    Not superior, just kind
    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
    • 19840

    #2
    I sincerely hope that's not all you got out of Gen. Kelly's remarks.
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    • Adam
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      • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
      • 16885

      #3
      Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
      I sincerely hope that's not all you got out of Gen. Kelly's remarks.
      I'm sure there are plenty of other manufactured outrage points to be pulled out of that presser.
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      In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
      Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
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      • Billy Jingo
        I shave with Occam's Razor
        • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
        • 18663

        #4
        Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
        I sincerely hope that's not all you got out of Gen. Kelly's remarks.
        It was a little too Starship Troopers for my tastes in general. There was a sneering, sinister edge to it that looked to elevate the veteran up to super-citizen status. The questioning part was really bad when no one unconnected to a Gold Star family is good enough to question him.

        But really, it was dishonest not just factually, but in tenor and tone. He tried to equate criticism the president with criticism of American military personnel. He was deferential to Gold Star families but was "stunned" when one let a long time family friend hear the conversation they had with the president. He lamented the Kahns' criticism of candidate Trump (Sean Smith was a mere member of the foreign service, not the military, so I doubt he meant Patricia Smith) while he evoked all the dead in Arlington to blunt criticism of president Trump. It was all standard Trumpian dishonesty. I am a bit surprised he engaged in such a display. But I shouldn't be, I suppose.
        “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

        ~ Omar El Akkad
        ​

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        • Lady Marva
          Senior Member
          • Wednesday, June 17, 2015
          • 13321

          #5
          Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
          was "stunned" when one let a long time family friend hear the conversation they had with the president.
          How'd that "long time family friend" who just happens to be a congresscritter just happen to be there on the phone call if the whole thing wasn't a setup..............

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          • Novaheart
            Guardian of civilization
            • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
            • 6070

            #6
            Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
            I sincerely hope that's not all you got out of Gen. Kelly's remarks.
            Don't forget, "empty barrels make the most noise" is racist.
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            And day's at the morn;
            Morning's at seven;
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            The lark's on the wing;
            The snail's on the thorn:
            God's in his heaven—
            All's right with the world!

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            • Novaheart
              Guardian of civilization
              • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
              • 6070

              #7
              Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
              It was a little too Starship Troopers for my tastes in general. There was a sneering, sinister edge to it that looked to elevate the veteran up to super-citizen status. The questioning part was really bad when no one unconnected to a Gold Star family is good enough to question him.

              But really, it was dishonest not just factually, but in tenor and tone. He tried to equate criticism the president with criticism of American military personnel. He was deferential to Gold Star families but was "stunned" when one let a long time family friend hear the conversation they had with the president. He lamented the Kahns' criticism of candidate Trump (Sean Smith was a mere member of the foreign service, not the military, so I doubt he meant Patricia Smith) while he evoked all the dead in Arlington to blunt criticism of president Trump. It was all standard Trumpian dishonesty. I am a bit surprised he engaged in such a display. But I shouldn't be, I suppose.
              Frederica is first generation American of Bahamian ancestry. Maxine Waters' husband was ambassador to the Bahamas. Maxine and Frederica both live beyond their means and say stupid shit. Coincidence? Perhaps not.
              Last edited by Novaheart; Friday, October 20, 2017, 5:01 PM.
              The year's at the spring
              And day's at the morn;
              Morning's at seven;
              The hill-side's dew-pearled;
              The lark's on the wing;
              The snail's on the thorn:
              God's in his heaven—
              All's right with the world!

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              • Newman
                Behind the Iron Curtain
                • Friday, November 1, 2013
                • 25814

                #8
                Originally posted by Novaheart View Post
                Frederica is first generation American of Bahamian ancestry. Maxine Waters' husband was ambassador to the Bahamas. Maxine and Frederica both live beyond their means and say stupid shit. Coincidence? Perhaps not.
                Frederica Wilson is of Baloneyan ancestry. 100%.
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                • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
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                • 80zephyr
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                  • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                  • 19074

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Newman View Post
                  Frederica Wilson is of Baloneyan ancestry. 100%.
                  We have a winner!!!

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                  • Lady Marva
                    Senior Member
                    • Wednesday, June 17, 2015
                    • 13321

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Newman View Post
                    Frederica Wilson is of Baloneyan ancestry. 100%.
                    But she's of the oppressed black knees.

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                    • scott
                      Go-to Guru
                      • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                      • 15799

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                      It was a little too Starship Troopers for my tastes in general. There was a sneering, sinister edge to it that looked to elevate the veteran up to super-citizen status. The questioning part was really bad when no one unconnected to a Gold Star family is good enough to question him.

                      But really, it was dishonest not just factually, but in tenor and tone. He tried to equate criticism the president with criticism of American military personnel. He was deferential to Gold Star families but was "stunned" when one let a long time family friend hear the conversation they had with the president. He lamented the Kahns' criticism of candidate Trump (Sean Smith was a mere member of the foreign service, not the military, so I doubt he meant Patricia Smith) while he evoked all the dead in Arlington to blunt criticism of president Trump. It was all standard Trumpian dishonesty. I am a bit surprised he engaged in such a display. But I shouldn't be, I suppose.
                      As opposed to the sneering sinister edge of leftists that call anyone to the right of Fidel Castro a myriad of descriptors: mean-spirited, selfish, mentally ill, irrational, inbred, evil, fetishists, etc. I obviously didn't hear the same level of sneer as you did but then again you openly called anyone who disagreed with Obama's policies "racist" so I think your meter of objectivity no longer exists.

                      I hope you feel better after educating us on this latest boogeyman. Quick question, is Kelly the worst one so far or is he just bad enough to scare you?
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                      • Newman
                        Behind the Iron Curtain
                        • Friday, November 1, 2013
                        • 25814

                        #12
                        Y'know, I saw the grieving mom say Trump didn't even know the name of her son, which Trump promptly denied on Twitter.

                        I'm taking Trump's word on this, because when he makes the call he undoubtedly has a card with her name and the deceased's name neatly printed on it, and protocol would surely have him mention the latter in his first sentence, as Trump said he did.

                        So this starts to look like a set-up to me. By whom, Wilson? Maybe, though that requires more active brain cells than I think are working at any given moment under those hats.

                        It reminds me of the death of Eric Garner on Staten Island. His death was seized by Al Sharpton in particular and exploited, until complaints from the family leaked out. He couldn't have cared less for the privacy of the family, any more than he cared a whit about Tawana Brawley, upon whom he inflicted far worse and lasting damage than she ever endured before meeting the Rev.

                        I dunno about Frederica. It seems to me that if you need a cowboy hat to make your point, you'd better be playing a guitar, too.
                        • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
                        • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
                        • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
                        • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
                        • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
                        • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
                        • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
                        • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
                        • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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                        • phillygirl
                          Not superior, just kind
                          • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                          • 19840

                          #13
                          I believe the widow on this. I can imagine Trump bumbling through it. Not because he didn't care, but bc empathy for others is just not his strong suit. I feel sorry for her. This imbroiglio is not what she needs right now.
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                          • Lady Marva
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                            • Wednesday, June 17, 2015
                            • 13321

                            #14
                            Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
                            This imbroiglio is not what she needs right now.
                            if that were true, she wouldn't be appearing on national TV.

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                            • Lady Marva
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                              • Wednesday, June 17, 2015
                              • 13321

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Newman View Post
                              Y'know, I saw the grieving mom say Trump didn't even know the name of her son, which Trump promptly denied on Twitter.

                              I'm taking Trump's word on this, because when he makes the call he undoubtedly has a card with her name and the deceased's name neatly printed on it, and protocol would surely have him mention the latter in his first sentence, as Trump said he did.

                              So this starts to look like a set-up to me. By whom, Wilson? Maybe, though that requires more active brain cells than I think are working at any given moment under those hats.

                              It reminds me of the death of Eric Garner on Staten Island. His death was seized by Al Sharpton in particular and exploited, until complaints from the family leaked out. He couldn't have cared less for the privacy of the family, any more than he cared a whit about Tawana Brawley, upon whom he inflicted far worse and lasting damage than she ever endured before meeting the Rev.

                              I dunno about Frederica. It seems to me that if you need a cowboy hat to make your point, you'd better be playing a guitar, too.
                              Agree. Just a wee bit too coincidental that she "happened" to be there when that call came. That was pre-arranged.

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