One dead, multiple injured after Venezuelan soldiers open fire on opposition supporters

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  • Norm dePlume
    Err foil
    • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
    • 14904

    #1

    One dead, multiple injured after Venezuelan soldiers open fire on opposition supporters

    One dead, multiple injured after Venezuelan soldiers open fire on opposition supporters

    SAN CRISTOBAL, Venezuela — Venezuelan soldiers opened fire on a group of civilians attempting to keep open a segment of the southern border with Brazil for deliveries of humanitarian aid, leading to multiple injuries and the first fatality of a massive opposition operation meant to deliver international relief to this devastated South American country, according to eyewitnesses and community leaders.

    At 6:30 a.m. on Friday, a military convoy approached a checkpoint set up by an indigenous community in the southern village of Kumarakapai, on the main artery linking Venezuela to Brazil. Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro on Thursday ordered the closure of Venezuela’s border with Brazil.

    When the volunteers sought to block the military vehicles by standing in front of them, soldiers began firing assault rifles, wounding at least 12 people, four of them seriously. One woman, Zorayda Rodriguez, 42, was killed.

    The Trump administration, which opposes Maduro, promptly denounced the shooting. “The United States condemns the killings, attacks, and the hundreds of arbitrary detentions that have taken place in Venezuela,” a State Department spokesman said. “We stand with the victims’ families in demanding justice and accountability.” (Vice President Pence, who is one of the administration’s most forceful Maduro critics, is scheduled to be in Colombia on Monday for a scheduled meeting of the Lima Group — a consortium of Latin American countries, plus Canada, that have called for Maduro’s ouster.)
    No matter how bad things are, they can always get worse.
    Enjoy.
  • Newman
    Behind the Iron Curtain
    • Friday, November 1, 2013
    • 25814

    #2
    Clicking "Like" is a bit odd here. It's a stand-in for "true that," no "no kidding." I just read a column about Maduro burning trucks of food aid right in front of the hungry Venezuelans:
    I've always known that Venezuelan dictator Nicolas Maduro was bad. But never would I have imagined he'd stoop to what he did on Saturday, burning truckloads of U.S. aid as it entered Venezuela on Venezuelan trucks, as the poor screamed in despair and tried to rush into the burning vehicles to retrieve the food. The dictator was rubbing the hunger he himself created right in their faces.
    • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
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    • phillygirl
      Not superior, just kind
      • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
      • 19840

      #3
      Is Trump right or wrong to condemn this?
      Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
      Robert Southwell, S.J.

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      • Newman
        Behind the Iron Curtain
        • Friday, November 1, 2013
        • 25814

        #4
        Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
        Is Trump right or wrong to condemn this?
        Trump will be vilified by Maduro regardless. Scapegoats are everywhere.

        I don't think Maduro survives a stunt like this. It's really only a question of how high the body count goes before this is all a nightmarish memory.
        • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
        • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
        • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
        • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
        • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
        • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
        • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
        • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
        • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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        • Billy Jingo
          I shave with Occam's Razor
          • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
          • 18663

          #5
          Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
          Is Trump right or wrong to condemn this?
          That’s an odd question.
          “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

          ~ Omar El Akkad
          ​

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          • phillygirl
            Not superior, just kind
            • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
            • 19840

            #6
            I'm from Pennsylvania.
            Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
            Robert Southwell, S.J.

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            • Norm dePlume
              Err foil
              • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
              • 14904

              #7
              Originally posted by Newman View Post
              Trump will be vilified by Maduro regardless. Scapegoats are everywhere.

              I don't think Maduro survives a stunt like this. It's really only a question of how high the body count goes before this is all a nightmarish memory.
              I think the determinant will be how much stomach the military has for gunning down civilians. There have been several instances of Venezuelan soldiers laying down their weapons and surrendering to the opposition. If that catches on, Maduro is toast. If not, he'll be there for quite a while.
              Enjoy.

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              • Newman
                Behind the Iron Curtain
                • Friday, November 1, 2013
                • 25814

                #8
                Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                I think the determinant will be how much stomach the military has for gunning down civilians. There have been several instances of Venezuelan soldiers laying down their weapons and surrendering to the opposition. If that catches on, Maduro is toast. If not, he'll be there for quite a while.
                I think of those moments as anecdotal, something we cling to, hope for, but usually doesn't amount to much.

                Maybe you know of some instance or two where such a case, an army that refused to fight, effected a coup. I don't. I think it's like imagining private citizens here "bearing arms" can fend off our military in a domestic confrontation. When generals defect, of course, the playing field can shift, but it's truly dangerous business.

                I think this sort of food-burning stunt seals the opposition of the Venezuelan people to Maduro, and in the long run (a year?) I don't think he survives.

                If a military tipping is required, I think it will be from his neighbors, not from us. We may have soldiers escorting relief supplies, but I don't expect more.
                Last edited by Newman; Sunday, February 24, 2019, 9:04 PM.
                • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
                • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
                • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
                • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
                • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
                • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
                • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
                • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
                • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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                • Norm dePlume
                  Err foil
                  • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                  • 14904

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Newman View Post
                  Maybe you know of some instance or two where such a case, an army that refused to fight, effected a coup. I don't.
                  Maybe you've heard of a place called Egypt.

                  Looters smashed store windows and ravaged shopping malls as police stations and the national party headquarters burned through the night. Two mummies were destroyed in Cairo’s Egyptian Museum, the country’s chief antiquities official said. Then thousands of army troops stepped in late Friday to reinforce the police. By Saturday morning, a sense of celebration took over the central squares of the capital as at least some members of the military encouraged the protesters instead of cracking down on them.

                  It was unclear whether the soldiers in the streets were operating without orders or in defiance of them. But their displays of support for the protesters were conspicuous throughout the capital. In the most striking example, four armored military vehicles moved at the front of a crowd of thousands of protesters in a pitched battle against the Egyptian security police defending the Interior Ministry.

                  ...

                  Everywhere in Cairo, soldiers and protesters hugged or snapped pictures together on top of military tanks. With the soldiers’ consent, protesters scrawled graffiti denouncing Mr. Mubarak on many of the tanks. “This is the revolution of all the people,” read a common slogan. “No, no, Mubarak” was another.

                  One camouflage-clad soldier shouted through a megaphone from the top of a tank: “I don’t care what happens, but you are the ones who are going to make the change!”
                  Enjoy.

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                  • Frostbit
                    But only once
                    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                    • 22330

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Newman View Post
                    Maybe you know of some instance or two where such a case, an army that refused to fight,
                    Portland
                    If it pays, it stays

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                    • Norm dePlume
                      Err foil
                      • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                      • 14904

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Frostbit View Post
                      Portland
                      If the army is fighting in Portland (or any US city) the shit has really hit the fan.
                      Enjoy.

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                      • Frostbit
                        But only once
                        • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                        • 22330

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                        If the army is fighting in Portland (or any US city) the shit has really hit the fan.
                        Lighten up Francis as they say. Don't get why you are always on edge. Hopefully it's only on here.

                        Now back to armies killing their own people. Try the African continent for plenty of examples.
                        If it pays, it stays

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                        • Norm dePlume
                          Err foil
                          • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                          • 14904

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Frostbit View Post
                          Lighten up Francis as they say. Don't get why you are always on edge. Hopefully it's only on here.

                          Now back to armies killing their own people. Try the African continent for plenty of examples.
                          Your humor is not funny. It is bitter. You don't kid; you taunt. You shouldn't be surprised when your provocations provoke.
                          Enjoy.

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                          • Frostbit
                            But only once
                            • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                            • 22330

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                            Your humor is not funny. It is bitter. You don't kid; you taunt. You shouldn't be surprised when your provocations provoke.
                            triggered
                            If it pays, it stays

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                            • Norm dePlume
                              Err foil
                              • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                              • 14904

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Frostbit View Post
                              triggered
                              Shot.
                              Enjoy.

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