One dead, multiple injured after Venezuelan soldiers open fire on opposition supporters

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  • Frostbit
    But only once
    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
    • 22330

    #16
    Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
    Shot.
    The whole nine yards
    If it pays, it stays

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    • Gramps
      Junior Member
      • Friday, October 4, 2013
      • 3850

      #17
      OMG
      Robert Francis O'Rourke, Democrat, White guy, spent ~78 million to defeat, Ted Cruz, Republican immigrant Dark guy and lost
      But the Republicans are racist.

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      • scott
        Go-to Guru
        • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
        • 15799

        #18
        Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
        Maybe you've heard of a place called Egypt.
        That was during a military coup.

        https://www.britannica.com/event/Egypt-Uprising-of-2011
        "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
        -John Locke

        "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
        -Newman

        "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
        -Newman

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        • Newman
          Behind the Iron Curtain
          • Friday, November 1, 2013
          • 25814

          #19
          Well, even Portland, meshuggina as it is, is more funny in this context than instructive.

          Disarming Law Enforcement in Portland
          Portland police officer Jeff Niiya has been accused of “collusion with right-wing extremist” after exchanging text messages with Joey Gibson, the founder of Patriot Prayer, a group of right-wing provocateurs who mostly demonstrate at leftist gatherings. It’s standard practice for police to communicate with leaders of fringe groups on the right and left, but Niiya’s texts appear to have been overly friendly.

          Portland progressives have seized the opportunity to tar the city’s entire police force as sympathetic with right-wing groups at the expense of liberals and leftists. City commissioner and liberal firebrand Jo Ann Hardesty released a statement claiming, without evidence, that “this story simply confirms that . . . there are members of the Portland police force who work in collusion with right-wing extremists.” Progressive activists massed outside City Hall days later, demanding the ouster of police chief Danielle Outlaw.

          Anti-police sentiment is pervasive in progressive-leaning cities across the United States. Advocates against “overpolicing” put pressure on cops to take a hands-off approach to public order. In response, law-enforcement agencies have scaled back the tactics and resources that combat crime and maintain stability. In Portland, this pattern is deepening, to the detriment of the city and its residents.

          Portland today is much changed from the city that I grew up in. Signs of urban decay and degradation are everywhere. Streets are littered with trash, human feces, and drug needles. Transient camps and villages dot the city. Vagrants roam the streets and threaten pedestrians and businesses owners. A Portland resident calls the police every 15 minutes to report an incident involving a homeless person.

          Still, the city’s progressive politicians and activists would like residents to believe that law-enforcement officials pose a greater threat than public anarchy. Portland’s attitude toward law enforcement has become so negative, in fact, that neighboring Washington County will no longer offer coordination or support to the Portland Police Bureau. “The makeup of the Portland jury pool and the anti-police attitudes of many residents appears to have a large impact upon the DA’s ability to successfully bring charges against suspects that are injured in police use of force cases,” noted Senior Assistant Washington County Counsel Elmer Dickens in an email obtained by the press. “Officers should not be made criminal suspects simply because they do their job.”
          Fear of repercussion have caused some Portland police to avoid upholding order altogether. Footage captured members of the far-left Antifa protest group directing traffic and harassing commuters in October 2018. The video shows protestors stopping drivers from entering certain intersections, and chasing and bashing the vehicles of drivers who refused to obey their commands. Less than a block away, cops stood and watched the chaos unfold. Portland mayor Ted Wheeler praised them for not intervening.
          • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
          • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
          • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
          • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
          • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
          • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
          • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
          • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
          • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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          • Norm dePlume
            Err foil
            • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
            • 14904

            #20
            Originally posted by scott View Post
            It was immediately before the military coup that it caused.
            Enjoy.

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            • 80zephyr
              Senior Member
              • Saturday, January 3, 2015
              • 19074

              #21
              Originally posted by Newman View Post
              Well, even Portland, meshuggina as it is, is more funny in this context than instructive.

              Disarming Law Enforcement in Portland
              Its amazing, but this seems to be what the left wants. Why?

              Mark
              Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

              "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

              Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

              Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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              • Newman
                Behind the Iron Curtain
                • Friday, November 1, 2013
                • 25814

                #22
                Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
                Its amazing, but this seems to be what the left wants. Why?

                Mark
                I really don't know. Squalor and disorder seem to be trademarks of the passionate leftists. Remember the OWS squatters, and the urban landfills they left behind?

                NYC is becoming a cesspool again. I don't get why that's OK. The problems are taken by progressives as signs that their policies are needed, rather than as signs that their policies make it worse.
                • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
                • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
                • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
                • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
                • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
                • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
                • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
                • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
                • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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                • Norm dePlume
                  Err foil
                  • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                  • 14904

                  #23
                  "[A]ppear to have been overly friendly" is putting it mildly.

                  Several texts involve Gibson's longtime adjunct, Tusitala "Tiny" Toese, who often brawls with antifascist protesters, has allegedly assaulted people who were not protesting, and has been arrested multiple times in Portland.

                  On Dec. 8, 2017, Niiya asks Gibson if Toese had "his court stuff taken care of," referring to an active warrant for Toese's arrest. Niiya goes on to say officers ignored the warrant at a past protest and tells Gibson that he doesn't see a need to arrest Toese even if he has a warrant, unless Toese commits a new crime.

                  "Just make sure he doesn't do anything which may draw our attention," Niiya texted on Dec. 9. "If he still has the warrant in the system (I don't run you guys so I don't personally know) the officers could arrest him. I don't see a need to arrest on the warrant unless there is a reason."
                  On edit: I don't know what this has to do with Venezuela.
                  Enjoy.

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                  • 80zephyr
                    Senior Member
                    • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                    • 19074

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                    "[A]ppear to have been overly friendly" is putting it mildly.



                    On edit: I don't know what this has to do with Venezuela.
                    No arrest with an outstanding warrant? Is this person an illegal?

                    Mark
                    Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

                    "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

                    Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

                    Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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                    • Norm dePlume
                      Err foil
                      • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                      • 14904

                      #25
                      Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
                      No arrest with an outstanding warrant? Is this person an illegal?

                      Mark
                      I don't know what his current immigration status is. The warrant is because he pleaded guilty to one of his many assaults and didn't follow through with the public service and probation that he was sentenced to.

                      What does this have to do with the price of eggs in Venezuela?
                      Enjoy.

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                      • 80zephyr
                        Senior Member
                        • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                        • 19074

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                        "[A]ppear to have been overly friendly" is putting it mildly.



                        On edit: I don't know what this has to do with Venezuela.
                        Nothing. It just occurs to me that an illegal would probably be cut some slack. As usual.

                        Mark
                        Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

                        "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

                        Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

                        Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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                        • scott
                          Go-to Guru
                          • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                          • 15799

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                          It was immediately before the military coup that it caused.
                          The point being that it was a military coup and soldiers staying out of it were not doing so in some individual refusal to support their government. They were backing the military brass seizing power.
                          "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
                          -John Locke

                          "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
                          -Newman

                          "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
                          -Newman

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                          • Lanie
                            Finally have my self respect.
                            • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                            • 4829

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                            No matter how bad things are, they can always get worse.

                            Got that right.

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                            • Lanie
                              Finally have my self respect.
                              • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                              • 4829

                              #29
                              Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
                              Is Trump right or wrong to condemn this?

                              Only a piece of crap would condemn Trump for this. Maduro has been having a complex, leading out to his not allowing aid to come in. That's after a while of people speaking out against him being persecuted.

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                              • Norm dePlume
                                Err foil
                                • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                                • 14904

                                #30
                                Originally posted by scott View Post
                                The point being that it was a military coup and soldiers staying out of it were not doing so in some individual refusal to support their government. They were backing the military brass seizing power.
                                Well, let's just review Newman's challenge, shall we?

                                Originally posted by Newman View Post
                                Maybe you know of some instance or two where such a case, an army that refused to fight, effected a coup. I don't.
                                Are you claiming Egypt doesn't count as an instance where "an army that refused to fight, effected a coup"? Are you going to say something like, "No, no, that's an instance of an army effecting a coup refusing to fight! It's completely different!"? Can you be any more petty?

                                Does any of this somehow disprove my assertion that "the determinant will be how much stomach the military has for gunning down civilians"?
                                Enjoy.

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