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  • Newman
    Behind the Iron Curtain
    • Friday, November 1, 2013
    • 25814

    #1

    The Fall of May

    The Hindenburg collapse of England's PM Theresa May rivals Hillary's terrible, horrible, no good, very day in 2016, except it hasn't been a surprise.

    The surprise has been the success of Nigel Farage's Brexit Party, formed only earlier this year:

    In UK, Farage's Brexit party storms to EU election victory
    Nigel Farage's Brexit Party stormed to victory in the EU elections with 31.6% of the vote, final results showed Monday, giving it 29 seats in the European Parliament.

    The country's two main parties hemorrhaged support with May's Conservatives finishing on 9.1% -- their worst result in a national vote in nearly 200 years -- and the opposition Labour Party reaching 14.1%. Smaller pro-EU parties did well: the Liberal Democrats fetching second place with 20.3%.

    Nearly three years after the United Kingdom voted by 52% to 48% to leave the EU, it remains a member and its politicians are still arguing over how, when or even whether the country will leave the club it joined in 1973.
    Farage, because of that Brexit conundrum, is the most prominent upstart success of the just-concluded EU elections, but he was part of a general trend across many countries:

    4 Takeaways From The European Parliament Election Results
    Europe's traditional centrist coalition lost its majority in the European Union's parliamentary elections Sunday, with far-right populist parties and liberal, pro-European Union parties both gaining ground. The results suggest a complicated future for the EU, as voters look for new ways forward.

    More than 50% of European voters turned out last week to vote in the parliamentary elections, the highest turnout in two decades and a sharp increase from the last election in 2014.
    The "Takeaways" by heading are:
    1. The center-left, center-right coalition lost its majority.
    2. The far-right gained ground — but not as much as expected.
    3. Europeans are concerned about the environment.
    4. The U.K. doubles down on Brexit


    Andrew Sullivan (!) I feel has a good overview of the election, and a particularly good read on the collapse of the centrists. He also brings in the recent Australian election:

    Good-bye, Theresa. Hello, Boris?
    If you were hoping that the recent wave of global right-wing populism might be declining, it has not been a very good couple of weeks. In India, the Hindu nationalist, Narendra Modi, was just reelected handily — with a hefty majority in the Parliament, despite expectations that he’d do far worse. Buoyed by resurgent nationalism and his standing up to China and Pakistan, as well as appealing to the left-behinds, he achieved something historic: the first full second term for a prime minister in nearly 50 years. But it’s impossible to understand Modi’s success without seeing his exploitation of Hindu anti-Muslim religious bigotry at the heart of it. This was a victory for illiberal democracy — one in which Muslims are used as a classic minority threat.

    In Australia, in what some have called the biggest upset in recent political history, the Liberal Party coalition government (the center-right option) swept back into power against all predictions, while the expected Labor Party victory evaporated somewhere between the polls and the election. Some have argued that this was just another case of Australians’ discomfort with radical change, as pledged by Labor. But a key factor is that the Labor Party’s traditional working-class base — guess what? — lurched right.
    Sullivan is not neutral on the subject:

    Sounds depressingly familiar does it not? The same rural-urban, somewhere-nowhere divide opening up all over the West — with the right doing far better than anyone expected. And for those of us committed to action against climate change, the Australian election, where climate legislation was very much part of the debate, and the recent retreat of Macron in the face of anti-gas-tax protests, are not exactly encouraging signs.

    In Europe, it’s clearly getting worse. The elections for the European Parliament — taking place yesterday through Sunday — are now expected to end with a surge for the far right across the continent. Some of this was long baked in the cake: These largely meaningless elections to a powerless Parliament are often low-turnout affairs, where protest votes are common. They often help fringe anti-E.U. parties.

    Nowhere is this truer, of course, than in the U.K., where politics has been transformed first by the Brexit vote and then by the center-right Tories’ failure to deliver it on time.
    France too has seen its center-right outflanked in the current polls by Marine Le Pen’s outfit, which is now in first place, a notch above Macron’s En Marche. Two years ago, Macron beat Le Pen 66–34. Now, her party is beating his 25–23. Italy is now run by Bannon-loving, anti-immigrant populists. Matteo Salvini, the deputy prime minister, just convened 11 right-populist leaders from European countries in a rally before the European elections....
    So when he gets around to pointing at the causes of failure, his lance is sharp:

    We’ll see the tea leaves better by Sunday night; it may be that the forecasts of a far-right surge are tempered. (Exit polls from the Netherlands show the center holding in that country, despite fears of a hard-right victory.) But there’s no sign yet that the center has been able to marshal arguments anywhere nearly as potent as the nationalist right’s. In fact, some of the Brussels plutocrats and Eurocrats seem intent on making things worse. Jean-Claude Juncker, president of the European Commission, and hate-figure in Britain, declared to CNN this week: “These populist, nationalists, stupid nationalists, they are in love with their own countries. They don’t like those coming from far away, I like those coming from far away … we have to act in solidarity with those who are in a worse situation than we are in.” He somehow avoided calling them all deplorables.

    But he’s right of course. People do tend to be in love with their own countries, just as they love the borders that allow their countries to exist. Those who turned the E.U. into a kind of megastate incapable of summoning real patriotism never quite grasped this, and still don’t.

    If you want to know why neo-fascism is resurgent in Europe, this is why. The European project overreached, and has never recovered from the financial crisis a decade ago. Europeans have always been more attached to their own national identities than to some abstract edifice like the E.U. This has been compounded, as it has in the U.S., by elite contempt for the feelings of ordinary people, denial about elite failure over the last two decades, and an inability of those elites even to speak a language most people can understand. I’d vote against those elites too, if I were Italian or Greek. Their comeuppance cometh. What comes after is the metastasizing problem.
    If the dithering and wistful denial that followed the Brexit vote three years ago is a clue, we can expect nothing dramatic to happen quickly in the wake of this EU election. But that doesn't mean the political tectonic plates have stopped moving.
    • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
    • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
    • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
    • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
    • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
    • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
    • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
    • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
    • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.
  • 80zephyr
    Senior Member
    • Saturday, January 3, 2015
    • 19074

    #2
    This is why Trump won. What they call nationalism I call love of country.

    And I don't see anything wrong with that.

    Mark
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    • Billy Jingo
      I shave with Occam's Razor
      • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
      • 18663

      #3
      Originally posted by Newman
      The Hindenburg collapse of England's PM Theresa May rivals Hillary's terrible, horrible, no good, very day in 2016, except it hasn't been a surprise.

      “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

      ~ Omar El Akkad
      ​

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      • Gingersnap
        Resident stylistic consultant
        • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
        • 24058

        #4
        May has been floundering for some time so her exit is no surprise.

        The problem with the EU (as many countries are discovering) is that unelected desk pilots are deciding sometimes important issues - badly.

        And there is no recourse - you can't vote them out and dump their regulations.
        "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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        • Newman
          Behind the Iron Curtain
          • Friday, November 1, 2013
          • 25814

          #5
          Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
          May has been floundering for some time so her exit is no surprise.

          The problem with the EU (as many countries are discovering) is that unelected desk pilots are deciding sometimes important issues - badly.

          And there is no recourse - you can't vote them out and dump their regulations.
          Sounds familiar.
          • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
          • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
          • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
          • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
          • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
          • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
          • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
          • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
          • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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          • Gingersnap
            Resident stylistic consultant
            • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
            • 24058

            #6
            Originally posted by Newman View Post
            Sounds familiar.
            Doesn't it?

            We're essentially back to an aristocracy. They aren't born to it or own any land but they sure act like it.
            "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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            • Norm dePlume
              Err foil
              • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
              • 14904

              #7
              Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
              May has been floundering for some time so her exit is no surprise.

              The problem with the EU (as many countries are discovering) is that unelected desk pilots are deciding sometimes important issues - badly.

              And there is no recourse - you can't vote them out and dump their regulations.
              European Parliament doesn't have any say over regulations?
              Enjoy.

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              • Norm dePlume
                Err foil
                • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                • 14904

                #8
                May's problem is that Brexit supporters told a lot of lies about how beneficial Brexit would be and she was unable to deliver on those lies. She, being constrained by reality, tried to work out the best Brexit deal that could be done. Brexit opposition rightfully pointed out that deal was worse than remaining, and Brexit supporters pointed out that deal was worse than their fantasy. Farage wants a seat at the negotiating table. They should put him in charge. Let him face the music he requested.
                Enjoy.

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                • Billy Jingo
                  I shave with Occam's Razor
                  • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                  • 18663

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                  May's problem is that Brexit supporters told a lot of lies about how beneficial Brexit would be and she was unable to deliver on those lies. She, being constrained by reality, tried to work out the best Brexit deal that could be done. Brexit opposition rightfully pointed out that deal was worse than remaining, and Brexit supporters pointed out that deal was worse than their fantasy. Farage wants a seat at the negotiating table. They should put him in charge. Let him face the music he requested.
                  Yeah. At some point, the real world intrudes.
                  “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

                  ~ Omar El Akkad
                  ​

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                  • Norm dePlume
                    Err foil
                    • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                    • 14904

                    #10
                    Enjoy.

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                    • Billy Jingo
                      I shave with Occam's Razor
                      • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                      • 18663

                      #11
                      The upside is the United States will no longer be the laughing stock of the Anglosphere soon; the UK* will take that mantle.






























                      *Offer void in Scotland
                      “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

                      ~ Omar El Akkad
                      ​

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                      • Gingersnap
                        Resident stylistic consultant
                        • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                        • 24058

                        #12
                        Yeah, we have the best economy, the most immigrant/refugee "diversity", the largest number of patents for general stuff and life saving-drugs, the best medical technology (which weirdly we use on poor people and foreigners), free speech (off college campuses), the finest dogs, the best backyard BBQ, baseball, and the most spoiled children.

                        But we're doing it wrong compared to all other English speaking nations with tabloid press.

                        That makes sense.
                        "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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