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  • Michele
    Senior Member
    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
    • 13964

    #1

    Obama gives the Castro regime in Cuba an undeserved bailout

    Washington Post
    By Editorial Board December 17


    IN RECENT months, the outlook for the Castro regime in Cuba was growing steadily darker. The modest reforms it adopted in recent years to improve abysmal economic conditions had stalled, due to the regime’s refusal to allow Cubans greater freedoms. Worse, the accelerating economic collapse of Venezuela meant that the huge subsidies that have kept the Castros afloat for the past decade were in peril. A growing number of Cubans were demanding basic human rights, such as freedom of speech and assembly.

    On Wednesday, the Castros suddenly obtained a comprehensive bailout — from the Obama administration. President Obama granted the regime everything on its wish list that was within his power to grant; a full lifting of the trade embargo requires congressional action. Full diplomatic relations will be established, Cuba’s place on the list of terrorism sponsors reviewed and restrictions lifted on U.S. investment and most travel to Cuba. That liberalization will provide Havana with a fresh source of desperately needed hard currency and eliminate U.S. leverage for political reforms.

    As part of the bargain, Havana released Alan Gross, a U.S. Agency for International Development contractor who was unjustly imprisoned five years ago for trying to help Cuban Jews. Also freed was an unidentified U.S. intelligence agent in Cuba — as were three Cuban spies who had been convicted of operations in Florida that led to Cuba’s 1996 shootdown of a plane carrying anti-Castro activists. While Mr. Obama sought to portray Mr. Gross’s release as unrelated to the spy swap, there can be no question that Cuba’s hard-line intelligence apparatus obtained exactly what it sought when it made Mr. Gross a de facto hostage.

    No wonder Yoani Sánchez, Cuba’s leading dissident blogger, concluded Wednesday that “Castroism has won” and predicted that for weeks Cubans will have to endure proclamations by the government that it is the “winner of its ultimate battle.”

    Mr. Obama argued that his sweeping change of policy was overdue because the strategy of isolating the Communist regime “has had little effect.” In fact, Cuba has been marginalized in the Americas for decades, and the regime has been deprived of financial resources it could have used to spread its malignant influence in the region, as Venezuela has done. That the embargo has not succeeded in destroying communism does not explain why all sanctions should be lifted without any meaningful political concessions by Cuba.

    U.S. officials said the regime agreed to release 53 political prisoners and allow more access to the Internet. But Raúl Castro promised four years ago to release all political prisoners, so the White House has purchased the same horse already sold to the Vatican and Spain.

    The administration says its move will transform relations with Latin America, but that is naive. Countries that previously demanded an end to U.S. sanctions on Cuba will not now look to Havana for reforms; instead, they will press the Obama administration not to sanction Venezuela. Mr. Obama says normalizing relations will allow the United States to be more effective in promoting political change in Cuba. That is contrary to U.S. experience with Communist regimes such as Vietnam, where normalization has led to no improvements on human rights in two decades. Moreover, nothing in Mr. Obama’s record of lukewarm and inconstant support for democratic change across the globe can give Ms. Sánchez and her fellow freedom fighters confidence in this promise.

    The Vietnam outcome is what the Castros are counting on: a flood of U.S. tourists and business investment that will allow the regime to maintain its totalitarian system indefinitely. Mr. Obama may claim that he has dismantled a 50-year-old failed policy; what he has really done is give a 50-year-old failed regime a new lease on life.


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    Truthfully, I don't know enough about this issue and have been reading more after Obama's executive actions. But this is a pretty strong opinion especially considering it's the WA PO.
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  • scott
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    • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
    • 15799

    #2
    All this is inside baseball stuff which has no bearing on the broader point - the embargo failed, time to kill communism with free trade.
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    • Adam
      The way to a woman's heart is through her taste buds.
      • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
      • 16885

      #3
      Originally posted by scott View Post
      All this is inside baseball stuff which has no bearing on the broader point - the embargo failed, time to kill communism with free trade.
      I would agree if:
      1. That had actually worked with China. Fourteen years on, I'm not really seeing it.

      2. Fifty or so years worth of free trade with the entire rest of the world had done anything to break the Castro regime's death-grip upon the citizenry. Decades of a whole lot of British Pounds, Euros, Deutsche Marks, Dutch Gilders, Brizilian Real, Mexican Pesos, Canadian Dollars, Japanese Yen, Chinese Yuan, Australian Dollars, Russian Rubles (back when they were actually worth something), French Francs, and all sorts of other hard currency from around the world (including a not-insignificant amount of U.S. Dollars) have not improved the lot of the ordinary Cuban on the street. There is absolutely NO reason to believe that lifting the embargo would somehow change that. It ALL goes to the Castro regime, and they're not going to change.



      Cripes! Even the editorial board of the Washington Post agrees that this is a bad idea.


      I would LOVE to see the day that we can genuinely open up trade with Cuba and the Cuban people can thrive with a vibrant tourist economy. But I'm just not willing to do that at the expense of the ordinary, everyday Cuban who lives some shitty live in a hovel with electricity generously provided by the government for thirty minutes every day and under constant threat of prison time for criticizing the government.
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      • Gramps
        Junior Member
        • Friday, October 4, 2013
        • 3850

        #4
        Originally posted by Adam View Post
        I would agree if:
        1. That had actually worked with China. Fourteen years on, I'm not really seeing it.

        2. Fifty or so years worth of free trade with the entire rest of the world had done anything to break the Castro regime's death-grip upon the citizenry. Decades of a whole lot of British Pounds, Euros, Deutsche Marks, Dutch Gilders, Brizilian Real, Mexican Pesos, Canadian Dollars, Japanese Yen, Chinese Yuan, Australian Dollars, Russian Rubles (back when they were actually worth something), French Francs, and all sorts of other hard currency from around the world (including a not-insignificant amount of U.S. Dollars) have not improved the lot of the ordinary Cuban on the street. There is absolutely NO reason to believe that lifting the embargo would somehow change that. It ALL goes to the Castro regime, and they're not going to change.



        Cripes! Even the editorial board of the Washington Post agrees that this is a bad idea.


        I would LOVE to see the day that we can genuinely open up trade with Cuba and the Cuban people can thrive with a vibrant tourist economy. But I'm just not willing to do that at the expense of the ordinary, everyday Cuban who lives some shitty live in a hovel with electricity generously provided by the government for thirty minutes every day and under constant threat of prison time for criticizing the government.
        and the rest...^^^^^^

        Seriously, the lack of US tourism is not the reason that the Cuban population lives in squalor.

        Fuck, there are tons of places they can sell cigars and rum other than the US.

        It is the administration/government.
        Throwing US money into Cuba won't make it better. The government will just have more money and the population will continue to suffer.
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        • Norm dePlume
          Err foil
          • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
          • 14904

          #5
          I agree with this:

          The bottom line is that the exceptionalist argument is not only wrong. It backfires against us. Changing a country’s political and economic order is a job for the people of that country, not for the United States. Conservative exceptionalists have demonstrably failed to change Cuba for 53 years. Liberal exceptionalists do not have a much stronger record for changing the political and economic orders of other countries, either.

          Maybe it would be better to say that recognition and economic relations with Cuba are good things in their own right. And maybe one day Cuba becomes a liberal democracy with a free economy. But that choice is not ours to make. It belongs to the Cuban people.
          The embargo didn't unseat the regime. Lifting the embargo won't unseat the regime. Not quickly, anyway. Lifting the embargo will make a lot of Cuban's lives a little bit better and will gradually expose them to a wider perspective. And maybe, over a long period of time, the Cubans will be inspired to change Cuba.
          Enjoy.

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          • Adam
            The way to a woman's heart is through her taste buds.
            • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
            • 16885

            #6
            Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
            I agree with this:



            The embargo didn't unseat the regime. Lifting the embargo won't unseat the regime. Not quickly, anyway. Lifting the embargo will make a lot of Cuban's lives a little bit better and will gradually expose them to a wider perspective. And maybe, over a long period of time, the Cubans will be inspired to change Cuba.
            This argument is so incredibly fallacious that I'm frankly astonished that ANYONE would try to make it.

            The entire notion that new-found trade with the U.S. will somehow improve the lives of Cubans on the streets of Havana is utterly ludicrous. IF Cuba were even remotely economically free, this argument might hold water. It isn't. Increased trade, increased economic activity ONLY benefits the Castros. EVERYTHING is owned by the Cuban government. The bellman who gets more work at the hotel does not earn more money for working harder, nor does the maid, the waiter, the chef, the doctor, the taxi-driver, or anyone else. NO amount of additional hustle, harder work, education, entrepreneurship (ha! as if!), or anything other than moving up the feeding-chain of the Cuban bureaucracy will ever improve the lives of anyone living on the street level in Cuba. ALL of that increased economic activity ONLY enriches the Cuban government's umbrella holding company, enriching solely the Castros.

            If, for some reason, increased economic activity would somehow improve the lives of ordinary, everyday Cubans, then we would have LONG SINCE seen this with their trade with the entire rest of the world. Thinking that trade with the United States is somehow going to change this is, frankly, idiocy.
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            • Norm dePlume
              Err foil
              • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
              • 14904

              #7
              I suppose you would know better than the Cubans.

              Later, as we cool down with some fresh mango juice at the hotel clubhouse, the waitress tells us proudly that the mansion was nationalized shortly after the revolution. She tells us she's thrilled to work here. At Xanadu Mansion, she can make as much as $15 a day in tips. Compare that to the $30 or so some Cuban doctors make on average in a month.

              Tourism is essential to the Cuban economy, accounting for nearly 10 percent of the country's GDP in 2013, according to the World Travel and Tourism Council. More than 2 million foreign tourists visit every year, and the Cuban Ministry of Tourism says the 2014 high season that just ended was the biggest on record — a 5 percent increase from the previous year.

              ...

              For Nandes, the booming business of tourism in Cuba is a sign of good things to come for everyone.

              "You know I'm going to tell you one thing. We live off tourism. If there's no tourism, there's no life," he says. "Just look at the grocery stores here: They're empty because people have gone to other provinces."

              He says the money generated by tourism will trickle back down: People working at the resorts will take his horse cart to get around town, he says.
              The ridiculous argument is the one Marco Rubio gives, where the embargo doesn't hurt Cuba, because they trade with the rest of the world, yet lifting the embargo would be a boon to the Castro regime.
              Last edited by Norm dePlume; Sunday, December 21, 2014, 6:42 PM.
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