'Shrimp On A Treadmill': The Politics Of 'Silly' Studies

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  • Billy Jingo
    I shave with Occam's Razor
    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
    • 18663

    #1

    'Shrimp On A Treadmill': The Politics Of 'Silly' Studies

    'Shrimp On A Treadmill': The Politics Of 'Silly' Studies

    Biologist Lou Burnett was in his car when his cellphone rang recently. It was a CNN reporter, asking about the fact that his research had been featured in a new report about wasteful government spending.

    That was news to Burnett, who works at the College of Charleston in South Carolina. "I was pretty irritated," he recalls.

    The report, put out by Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK), blasted the National Science Foundation, a major government funder of research, saying it squandered taxpayer money on questionable science projects, including one pursued by Burnett and his colleagues that involved putting shrimp on a tiny treadmill.

    Lawmakers and political groups like to point to government spending that seems wasteful — especially in tough economic times. And one popular target has been scientific studies that either sound silly or involve foreign countries or have to do with sex.

    Looking at past examples, however, shows that there seems to be a pattern to how research gets singled out — and what happens after it's put under the spotlight.

    Take the case of the "shrimp on a treadmill." Burnett says the senator's report linked that work to a half-million-dollar research grant. But that money actually went to a lot of different research that he and his colleagues did on this economically important seafood species.

    The treadmills were just a small part of it, a way to measure how shrimp respond to changes in water quality. Burnett says the first treadmill was built by a colleague from scraps and was basically free, and the second was fancier and cost about $1,000. The senator's report was misleading, says Burnett, "and it suggests that much money was spent on seeing how long a shrimp can run on a treadmill, which was totally out of context."
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  • phillygirl
    Not superior, just kind
    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
    • 19840

    #2
    The fear of repercussions can also affect individual scientists. In 2003, a lawmaker tried to stop some government-funded sexual health research. A number of scientists had their work reviewed as a result. A survey later found that over half reported feeling nervous or paranoid.


    I wonder how much we paid for that study.
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    • Adam
      The way to a woman's heart is through her taste buds.
      • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
      • 16885

      #3
      Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
      I wonder how much we paid for that study.
      It's been ten years since that lonely day I left you
      In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
      Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
      Pray for me, momma, I'm a gypsy now

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      • Billy Jingo
        I shave with Occam's Razor
        • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
        • 18663

        #4
        Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
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        I wonder how much we paid for that study.
        If it was science, anything more than zero is too much.
        “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

        ~ Omar El Akkad
        ​

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        • Billy Jingo
          I shave with Occam's Razor
          • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
          • 18663

          #5
          Originally posted by Adam View Post
          My belief that "conservatives" fear science and fight against it at every turn is confirmed here so often. Thank you. I need reality even when I want to be wrong.

          Even individuals who I consider smart loathe science when it conflicts with their political views. And if they are "conservative," it always does.
          Last edited by Billy Jingo; Saturday, May 14, 2016, 1:54 PM.
          “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

          ~ Omar El Akkad
          ​

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          • Adam
            The way to a woman's heart is through her taste buds.
            • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
            • 16885

            #6
            Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
            My belief that "conservatives" fear science and fight against it at every turn is confirmed here so often.
            Your belief is inaccurate, stupid, and based solely upon your own desperate need to have someone to demonize in order to bolster your own self-worth.

            The only thing that has been "confirmed" here is that you'll pretzel anything into somehow "proving" that you're somehow a superior human being, when in fact no such proof exists at all.
            It's been ten years since that lonely day I left you
            In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
            Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
            Pray for me, momma, I'm a gypsy now

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            • Frostbit
              But only once
              • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
              • 22330

              #7
              Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
              My belief that "conservatives" fear science
              And Liberals/Socialists/Progressives make science up to suit their needs. Science is fucked!
              If it pays, it stays

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              • Billy Jingo
                I shave with Occam's Razor
                • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                • 18663

                #8
                Originally posted by Adam View Post
                Your belief is inaccurate, stupid, and based solely upon your own desperate need to have someone to demonize in order to bolster your own self-worth.

                The only thing that has been "confirmed" here is that you'll pretzel anything into somehow "proving" that you're somehow a superior human being, when in fact no such proof exists at all.
                Something called "volcano monitoring."
                “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

                ~ Omar El Akkad
                ​

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                • phillygirl
                  Not superior, just kind
                  • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                  • 19840

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                  My belief that "conservatives" fear science and fight against it at every turn is confirmed here so often. Thank you. I need reality even when I want to be wrong.

                  Even individuals who I consider smart loathe science when it conflicts with their political views. And if they are "conservative," it always does.
                  "Lighten up, Francis". My comment was damn funny.
                  Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
                  Robert Southwell, S.J.

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                  • Frostbit
                    But only once
                    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                    • 22330

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                    Something called "volcano monitoring."
                    I can never tell if you are serious or being a Dick but volcano monitoring is extremely important for Alaska. We don't like it when airplanes fall out of the air from an unreported ash plume.

                    LINK
                    If it pays, it stays

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                    • Djharkavy
                      Senior Member
                      • Saturday, October 31, 2015
                      • 4286

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Frostbit View Post
                      I can never tell if you are serious or being a Dick but volcano monitoring is extremely important for Alaska. We don't like it when airplanes fall out of the air from an unreported ash plume.

                      LINK
                      And yet, it was on a list a few years back of wasted research money.

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                      • Frostbit
                        But only once
                        • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                        • 22330

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Djharkavy View Post
                        And yet, it was on a list a few years back of wasted research money.

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                        All mistakes are caused by the phone.
                        That's my story and I'm sticking to it...
                        i suspect it would seem so to someone living in Texas.
                        If it pays, it stays

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                        • Celeste Chalfonte
                          apostate
                          • Saturday, October 5, 2013
                          • 27897

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Frostbit View Post
                          i suspect it would seem so to someone living in Texas.
                          I think that was the point.

                          Volcano monitoring is important to Alaskans, not Texans.

                          Effects of certain changes in ocean environments are important to people in the seafood industry, probably not so much to dairy farmers in Wisconsin.

                          A friend of mine, while a neurologist for the VA, conducted a study of somatosensory evoked potential across the pudendal nerve. Another wasteful sex study by a government scientist, right? Not so much for the vets with spinal cord injuries for whom it turned out to be an excellent predictor of potential for recovery of some lower extremity function and continence.
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                          • scott
                            Go-to Guru
                            • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                            • 15799

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                            My belief that "conservatives" fear science and fight against it at every turn is confirmed here so often. Thank you. I need reality even when I want to be wrong.

                            Even individuals who I consider smart loathe science when it conflicts with their political views. And if they are "conservative," it always does.
                            Is that more of your "facts have a liberal bias" analysis?

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                            • Norm dePlume
                              Err foil
                              • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                              • 14904

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Frostbit View Post
                              I can never tell if you are serious or being a Dick but volcano monitoring is extremely important for Alaska. We don't like it when airplanes fall out of the air from an unreported ash plume.

                              LINK


                              There's also the Golden Fleece Award that Senator Proxmire awarded to E. F. Knipling for studying “the sex life of parasitic screwworm flies”.
                              Enjoy.

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