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  • Norm dePlume
    Err foil
    • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
    • 14904

    #1

    Trump looking into revoking security clearances for Brennan, other top Obama official

    Trump looking into revoking security clearances for Brennan, other top Obama officials

    President Trump is looking into revoking the security clearances of several top Obama-era intelligence and law enforcement officials, White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders said Monday, accusing them of having "politicized" or "monetized" their public service.

    She made the announcement at Monday's press briefing, after Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., called on the president to specifically revoke Trump critic and former CIA Director John Brennan's clearance.

    Sanders said Trump is considering it -- and also looking into the clearances for other former officials and Trump critics: former FBI Director James Comey, former Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe, former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, former National Security Adviser Susan Rice and former CIA Director Michael Hayden (who also worked under President George W. Bush).

    Sanders said Trump is “exploring mechanisms” to remove the security clearances “because [the former officials] politicized and in some cases actually monetized their public service and their security clearances in making baseless accusations of improper contact with Russia.”

    Sanders added that their clearances effectively give “inappropriate legitimacy to accusations with zero evidence.”
    Deploying the machinery of the state against political opponents is:
    a. good
    b. bad
    c. whatabout Clinton?
    d. stop calling me a racist
    Enjoy.
  • 80zephyr
    Senior Member
    • Saturday, January 3, 2015
    • 19074

    #2
    Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
    Deploying the machinery of the state against political opponents is:
    a. good
    b. bad
    c. whatabout Clinton?
    d. stop calling me a racist
    That depends. Not long ago, former administrations would be loathe to criticize a sitting president. If they are using their insider knowledge to do so, maybe they should get their wings clipped.

    BTW, I can't even believe this is a "thing". As far as I'm concerned, the day the administration changes hands, all those from the ousted one should lose their clearances.

    Mark
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    • Norm dePlume
      Err foil
      • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
      • 14904

      #3
      Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
      That depends. Not long ago, former administrations would be loathe to criticize a sitting president.
      Give me a fuckin' break.

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      Enjoy.

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      • scott
        Go-to Guru
        • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
        • 15799

        #4
        Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
        Deploying the machinery of the state against political opponents is:
        a. good
        b. bad
        c. whatabout Clinton?
        d. stop calling me a racist
        *yawn*

        You call them political opponents, I call them security risks. The President (any President) doesn't have to prove why they shouldn't have security clearances, they have to prove why their continued clearance contributes to our national security and it's the President's prerogative to accept or decline.
        "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
        -John Locke

        "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
        -Newman

        "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
        -Newman

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        • 80zephyr
          Senior Member
          • Saturday, January 3, 2015
          • 19074

          #5
          If you believe those "attacks" are even close to what Trump has endured, maybe you could give me a break.

          Mark
          Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

          "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

          Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

          Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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          • Norm dePlume
            Err foil
            • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
            • 14904

            #6
            Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
            If you believe those "attacks" are even close to what Trump has endured, maybe you could give me a break.

            Mark
            This is what you said:
            Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
            Not long ago, former administrations would be loathe to criticize a sitting president.
            They were not loath to criticize the sitting president. They were eager to. And there are a lot more examples. But, as you have just demonstrated, no number of examples would ever be enough for you. Also, Trump gets a great deal of criticism because he really sucks.
            Enjoy.

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            • Norm dePlume
              Err foil
              • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
              • 14904

              #7
              Originally posted by scott View Post
              *yawn*

              You call them political opponents, I call them security risks. The President (any President) doesn't have to prove why they shouldn't have security clearances, they have to prove why their continued clearance contributes to our national security and it's the President's prerogative to accept or decline.
              So 'a'.
              Enjoy.

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              • scott
                Go-to Guru
                • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                • 15799

                #8
                Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                So 'a'.
                I answered your question and did not limit myself to your falsely framed choices.

                You've demonstrated your ignorance about security clearances during the Hillary email discussions. Don't try to play expert here. Clearances are affirmatively granted for specific purposes, they are not entitlements.
                "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
                -John Locke

                "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
                -Newman

                "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
                -Newman

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                • Norm dePlume
                  Err foil
                  • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                  • 14904

                  #9
                  Originally posted by scott View Post
                  I call them security risks.
                  ... based on ...
                  Enjoy.

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                  • Norm dePlume
                    Err foil
                    • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                    • 14904

                    #10
                    Originally posted by scott View Post
                    I answered your question and did not limit myself to your falsely framed choices.

                    You've demonstrated your ignorance about security clearances during the Hillary email discussions. Don't try to play expert here. Clearances are affirmatively granted for specific purposes, they are not entitlements.
                    so 'c'
                    Enjoy.

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                    • scott
                      Go-to Guru
                      • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                      • 15799

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                      so 'c'
                      Sources and methods.

                      Explicit requirement to safeguard.

                      Explicit requirement to use secure and approved systems.



                      So you're still ignorant.
                      "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
                      -John Locke

                      "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
                      -Newman

                      "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
                      -Newman

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                      • scott
                        Go-to Guru
                        • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                        • 15799

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                        ... based on ...
                        Their current lack of need to know since they are no longer in official positions.

                        This is all standard stuff but bureaucrats lately have been able to keep their clearances due to lax enforcement.
                        "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
                        -John Locke

                        "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
                        -Newman

                        "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
                        -Newman

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                        • Norm dePlume
                          Err foil
                          • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                          • 14904

                          #13
                          Originally posted by scott View Post
                          Their current lack of need to know since they are no longer in official positions.

                          This is all standard stuff but bureaucrats lately have been able to keep their clearances due to lax enforcement.
                          Having clearance doesn't mean they get everything sent to them. It's entirely possible to keep documents away from Clapper without revoking his clearance.

                          Now say something about Berger. You know you want to.
                          Enjoy.

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                          • Norm dePlume
                            Err foil
                            • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                            • 14904

                            #14
                            Originally posted by scott View Post
                            So you're still ignorant.
                            Oh, fuck. Now you hurt my feeling.
                            Enjoy.

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                            • Norm dePlume
                              Err foil
                              • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                              • 14904

                              #15
                              Probably just a coincidence that the list of people being considered for having their clearance revoked is entirely made up of people who have criticized Trump. Standard stuff, y'all. Nothing to see here.
                              Enjoy.

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