DNC Chair Won't Say 'What Changed' From 2006 or 2013 When Dems Voted for Border Security

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  • Gingersnap
    Resident stylistic consultant
    • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
    • 24058

    #1

    DNC Chair Won't Say 'What Changed' From 2006 or 2013 When Dems Voted for Border Security

    DNC Chair Won't Say 'What Changed' From 2006 or 2013 When Dems Voted for Border Security
    BY TYLER O'NEIL JANUARY 9, 2019

    On Wednesday morning, Fox News anchor Bill Hemmer asked DNC Chair Tom Perez "what changed" to convince Democrats who voted for increased border security in 2006 and 2013 to resolutely oppose President Donald Trump on a wall now. Perez did not answer the question, and attempted to combat the idea that the difference has more to do with personality than policy.

    "You passed a lot of bills. [In] 2013, [Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.)] voted for more border security. [Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.)] voted for more border security. [Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.)] voted for it. 2006, Hillary Clinton voted for it, Barack Obama voted for it; Schumer voted for it again going back 12 years," Hemmer noted.

    "The Democrats believe in meaningful border security," Perez admitted. "I'm proud of the work I did under Barack Obama to make sure that we were securing our borders and countering violent extremism at home."

    "So what in the world changed from 2013? What changed from 2006?" Hemmer, the anchor of "America's Newsroom," pressed. "What the White House will say, 'if the president says "purple," you'll say "blue," and it's really not about policy, it's about personality.'"

    Perez disagreed with the idea that Democratic opposition on the wall is about personality rather than policy.

    "Again, Democrats have always believed in strong border security but we want smart border security," he insisted. "Building a wall is not smart border security." He suggested Obama-era programs like the "Countering Violent Extremism" initiative instead.

    He went on to note that for President Trump, "building a wall is fulfilling a campaign promise. That is not securing our borders."

    Whether building a wall is smart policy or not, the DNC chair is right to say this was a fundamental campaign promise for Trump. The president has been willing to decrease the amount of funding he requests for the wall. Why won't Democrats just agree to a deal for the $5 billion? In terms of the federal debt, that's pocket change.
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  • Norm dePlume
    Err foil
    • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
    • 14904

    #2
    They were told Mexico was gonna pay for it.
    Enjoy.

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    • Frostbit
      But only once
      • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
      • 22330

      #3
      Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
      They were told Mexico was gonna pay for it.
      Bullshit! You know Pelosi and Schumer could care less about Mexico paying for it.
      If it pays, it stays

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      • Norm dePlume
        Err foil
        • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
        • 14904

        #4
        Originally posted by Frostbit View Post
        Bullshit! You know Pelosi and Schumer could care less about Mexico paying for it.
        I'm sure they'd be happy for Mexico to pay for it.
        Enjoy.

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        • 80zephyr
          Senior Member
          • Saturday, January 3, 2015
          • 19074

          #5
          Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
          I'm sure they'd be happy for Mexico to pay for it.
          No one said they had to pre pay.

          Mark
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          • Norm dePlume
            Err foil
            • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
            • 14904

            #6
            Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
            No one said they had to pre pay.

            Mark
            Yeah, sure.

            Number one, are you ready? Are you ready?

            (APPLAUSE)

            We will build a great wall along the southern border.

            (APPLAUSE)

            AUDIENCE: Build the wall! Build the wall! Build the wall!

            And Mexico will pay for the wall.

            (APPLAUSE)

            One hundred percent. They don’t know it yet, but they’re going to pay for it. And they’re great people and great leaders but they’re going to pay for the wall.

            On day one, we will begin working on an impenetrable, physical, tall, power, beautiful southern border wall.

            (APPLAUSE)

            We will use the best technology, including above and below ground sensors that’s the tunnels. Remember that, above and below.

            (APPLAUSE)

            Above and below ground sensors. Towers, aerial surveillance and manpower to supplement the wall, find and dislocate tunnels and keep out criminal cartels and Mexico you know that, will work with us. I really believe it. Mexico will work with us. I absolutely believe it. And especially after meeting with their wonderful, wonderful president today. I really believe they want to solve this problem along with us, and I’m sure they will.
            Why would they wait to pay afterward? So they can approve it first? Like they have a spec it has to meet?
            Enjoy.

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            • Frostbit
              But only once
              • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
              • 22330

              #7
              Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
              I'm sure they'd be happy for Mexico to pay for it.
              Are you saying it's the 5 Billon price that's the problem? Not the barrier itself? Certainly with the increased economy and job market expansion tax revenue increase would likely be much more than the 5 Billion.

              Now if it's a Trump lie to you that Mexico is not cutting a check than I have to seriously ask how you felt when so many lost their doctor of choice from the ACA?
              If it pays, it stays

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              • 80zephyr
                Senior Member
                • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                • 19074

                #8
                What changed? TRUMP!! TRUMP!! TRUMP!!

                Mark
                Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

                "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

                Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

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                • Norm dePlume
                  Err foil
                  • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                  • 14904

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Frostbit View Post
                  Are you saying it's the 5 Billon price that's the problem? Not the barrier itself? Certainly with the increased economy and job market expansion tax revenue increase would likely be much more than the 5 Billion.

                  Now if it's a Trump lie to you that Mexico is not cutting a check than I have to seriously ask how you felt when so many lost their doctor of choice from the ACA?
                  The lies are the problem. If somebody comes to your door and tells you they'll build a wall around your yard, and the wall will be beautiful and have a big beautiful gate, and that they'll get your neighbor to pay for the whole thing and it won't cost you a dime, and then that same salesman asks you to write a check for a down payment, don't write that man a check. That man is a con man. If you really want a wall, and you are willing to pay for it, you better find some other contractor to work with. That man is a con man.
                  Enjoy.

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                  • Djharkavy
                    Senior Member
                    • Saturday, October 31, 2015
                    • 4286

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
                    Nothing happened.

                    They are still willing to pay for fences it walls where appropriate as well as upgrades on technology.
                    I believe that democrats in the Senate voted for over a billion dollars in appropriation for just that purpose along with Republicans.
                    And the Republican house refused to discuss it.

                    Then the new Democratic house voted to pass an identical bill but the Senate won't discuss it.

                    Tell me again how it's the Democrats that are at fault...

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                    • 80zephyr
                      Senior Member
                      • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                      • 19074

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                      The lies are the problem. If somebody comes to your door and tells you they'll build a wall around your yard, and the wall will be beautiful and have a big beautiful gate, and that they'll get your neighbor to pay for the whole thing and it won't cost you a dime, and then that same salesman asks you to write a check for a down payment, don't write that man a check. That man is a con man. If you really want a wall, and you are willing to pay for it, you better find some other contractor to work with. That man is a con man.
                      When ole "you can keep your health plan" Obama got nailed with the "lie of the year" from Politfact, I bet you figured he was a con man too, right?

                      Mark
                      Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

                      "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

                      Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

                      Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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                      • Frostbit
                        But only once
                        • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                        • 22330

                        #12
                        Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
                        When ole "you can keep your health plan" Obama got nailed with the "lie of the year" from Politfact, I bet you figured he was a con man too, right?

                        Mark
                        And your premiums will go down $2,500 a year.
                        If it pays, it stays

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                        • 80zephyr
                          Senior Member
                          • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                          • 19074

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Frostbit View Post
                          And your premiums will go down $2,500 a year.
                          Which lie has more impact on the American people? I'd say Obama's.

                          Mark
                          Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

                          "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

                          Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

                          Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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                          • Novaheart
                            Guardian of civilization
                            • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                            • 6070

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                            They were told Mexico was gonna pay for it.
                            How much are Mexicans going for these days? We have something like 10 million extras.
                            The year's at the spring
                            And day's at the morn;
                            Morning's at seven;
                            The hill-side's dew-pearled;
                            The lark's on the wing;
                            The snail's on the thorn:
                            God's in his heaven—
                            All's right with the world!

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                            • Newman
                              Behind the Iron Curtain
                              • Friday, November 1, 2013
                              • 25814

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                              I'm sure they'd be happy for Mexico to pay for it.


                              As a thought experiment that would be fun. I believe the Dems would oppose the wall even if Mexico pre-paid for it.
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