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  • Billy Jingo
    I shave with Occam's Razor
    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
    • 18663

    #1

    Trump Unbound

    Trump Unbound

    He’s hard to control now. Imagine if he wins in 2020 and never has to worry about elections again.



    The New York Times reported an extraordinary showdown in the Oval Office last week. Defying objections from the vice president, attorney general, secretary of health and human services, and White House counsel, President Trump decided to ask the courts to invalidate Obamacare entirely.

    Republican congressional leaders, still smarting from their failure to replace the health care law despite majorities in both chambers, were aghast. According to the Times, the decision could endanger the confirmation of a key deputy to Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney to head the Office of Management and Budget.

    This is hardly the first time Trump shocked his own party with a risky policy detour. Last December, the president announced on Twitter that the U.S. would withdraw completely from Syria, going against advice from Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and National Security Adviser John Bolton. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis resigned the next day. When the policy was reversed several weeks later, the country was left to wonder at the point of it all.

    And on Saturday, the president cut off foreign assistance to El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras, accusing them of “set[ting] up these caravans” — just two days after Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen visited the region and congratulated the three countries on their “commitment to more orderly migration flows.”

    But, the failure of Trump’s closest aides to moderate the president’s more radical impulses is a new development. Here’s a sampling of the president’s bad ideas that have been blocked over the last two years: a U.S. withdrawal from NATO, removing U.S. troops from the Korean peninsula, ending the U.S.-Korea Free Trade Agreement, firing Special Counsel Robert Mueller (on multiple occasions), printing money to lower the national debt, and fulfilling a campaign promise to stop all Muslims entering the country. Those are just some of the ones we know about.

    Before the 2018 midterm shellacking, an anonymous senior Trump official declared him or herself “part of the resistance inside the Trump administration,” citing “unsung heroes in and around the White House [who] have gone to great lengths to keep bad decisions contained to the West Wing.”

    If such a “resistance” ever existed, it’s in shambles. And the president’s sense of liberation following the conclusion of the Mueller investigation will probably only encourage his capricious instincts. We should ask ourselves: if this is how he behaves now, how might he govern in a second term when he is no longer constrained by electoral politics? What leverage will Republicans have against a billionaire president who no longer needs them?

    Congressional Republicans, except for the Steve King and Louie Gohmert fringe, never cared much about a border wall. Former Speaker Paul Ryan might have been too complacent about Trump’s takeover of the party, but he stayed focused on the agenda items his conference cared about: enacting tax cuts (successfully) and repealing Obamacare (at least they tried).

    After the midterms, the dynamic changed considerably. Bowing to criticism from Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh, Trump rejected a GOP negotiated budget package and launched a pointless (but record-breaking!) government shutdown in hopes of funding his wall.
    “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

    ~ Omar El Akkad
    ​
  • Frostbit
    But only once
    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
    • 22330

    #2
    Yup! If he wins in the 2020 he may realize he has “a pen and a cellphone”.
    If it pays, it stays

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    • Newman
      Behind the Iron Curtain
      • Friday, November 1, 2013
      • 25814

      #3
      If he wins in the 2020 he may realize he has “a pen and a cellphone”.
      And maybe Congress will realize he's president.

      The Bulwark is the new and latest (and last?) refuge of marooned NeverTrumpers, some of whom had to swim away from the Weekly Standard with Bill Kristol. To hell with them.

      Let 'em choke on these morsels:

      Hispanics Rally to Trump, Boosting His 2020 Chances
      Get ready for the anti-Trump “resistance” to go truly loco, because new polling data indicates Hispanic support for the president is swelling, a trend that could seal his 2020 re-election victory.
      McLaughlin & Associates revealed that Hispanic approval for Trump in March jumped to 50%. This number matched the January Marist/NPR/PBS survey that shocked cynics with its own 50% approval finding. Even if those polls are too aggressive, February’s Morning Consult/Politico poll showed Trump’s Hispanic approval vaulting to a still-impressive 45%.
      34% Of Michigan Trump Rally Attendees Were Registered Democrats: Parscale
      Approximately 34% of attendees at President Trump's Thursday night rally in Grand Rapids, Michigan were registered Democrats, according to Trump's 2020 campaign manager Brad Parscale.

      Speaking on Saturday with Fox News' Jesse Watters, Parscale explained that the campaign uses the phone numbers of attendees to look up their voter information.

      "We had tens of thousands of registrants, I believe 34% of the people who came to the Michigan rally were Democrats," said Parscale, adding "Almost half had only voted once in the last four elections."
      • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
      • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
      • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
      • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
      • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
      • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
      • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
      • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
      • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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      • Billy Jingo
        I shave with Occam's Razor
        • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
        • 18663

        #4
        Originally posted by Newman View Post
        And maybe Congress will realize he's president.

        The Bulwark is the new and latest (and last?) refuge of marooned NeverTrumpers, some of whom had to swim away from the Weekly Standard with Bill Kristol. To hell with them.

        Let 'em choke on these morsels:

        Hispanics Rally to Trump, Boosting His 2020 Chances

        34% Of Michigan Trump Rally Attendees Were Registered Democrats: Parscale

        Then why did Republicans lose so badly jus a few months ago?
        “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

        ~ Omar El Akkad
        ​

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        • Norm dePlume
          Err foil
          • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
          • 14904

          #5
          Originally posted by Frostbit
          Yup! If he wins in the 2020 he may realize he has “a pen and a cellphone”.
          You'd think you could get the stock phrases right.
          Enjoy.

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          • Frostbit
            But only once
            • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
            • 22330

            #6
            Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
            You'd think you could get the stock phrases right.
            I suppose if for some reason I hated Obama I'd take the time to memorize his uttering. I'm sure you and Bok can quote Trump fairly accurately. The irrational hatred runs deep.
            If it pays, it stays

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            • Newman
              Behind the Iron Curtain
              • Friday, November 1, 2013
              • 25814

              #7
              Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
              Then why did Republicans lose so badly jus a few months ago?
              Well, pardon my being serious for a moment, but I believe the GOP losing the House was due to two things, principally: Large numbers of incumbent Republicans retiring (I think these were by and large "establishment Republicans" ill-disposed to support Trump), plus, in CA at least, some highy questionable "vote harvesting" laws.

              Here's the odd part, Bok. I think the GOP losing the HOuse was a good thing. It "focused the mind," so to speak. It brought the Democrats out of the shadows, and it gave the feckless Republicans a righteous ass-whooping.
              • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
              • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
              • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
              • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
              • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
              • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
              • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
              • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
              • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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              • Norm dePlume
                Err foil
                • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                • 14904

                #8
                Originally posted by Frostbit View Post
                I suppose if for some reason I hated Obama I'd take the time to memorize his uttering. I'm sure you and Bok can quote Trump fairly accurately. The irrational hatred runs deep.
                You're repeating the "pen and a phone" line 5 years later. You got no room to lecture anyone on hatred.
                Enjoy.

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                • scott
                  Go-to Guru
                  • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                  • 15799

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                  Then why did Republicans lose so badly jus a few months ago?
                  "so badly..."

                  That "Blue Wave" netted your side a total of 40 seats - less than 10% of the House.
                  "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
                  -John Locke

                  "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
                  -Newman

                  "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
                  -Newman

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                  • Frostbit
                    But only once
                    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                    • 22330

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                    You're repeating the "pen and a phone" line 5 years later. You got no room to lecture anyone on hatred.
                    Sure I do. It's beyond palpable. You both have my sympathy.
                    If it pays, it stays

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                    • Billy Jingo
                      I shave with Occam's Razor
                      • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                      • 18663

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Newman View Post
                      Here's the odd part, Bok. I think the GOP losing the HOuse was a good thing. It "focused the mind," so to speak. It brought the Democrats out of the shadows, and it gave the feckless Republicans a righteous ass-whooping.
                      For those who have been confused about the parable in the past, THAT is Sour Grapes.
                      “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

                      ~ Omar El Akkad
                      ​

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                      • Newman
                        Behind the Iron Curtain
                        • Friday, November 1, 2013
                        • 25814

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                        For those who have been confused about the parable in the past, THAT is Sour Grapes.


                        Close, but you'd be better off referring to clouds and silver linings.
                        Last edited by Newman; Wednesday, April 3, 2019, 11:32 AM.
                        • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
                        • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
                        • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
                        • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
                        • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
                        • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
                        • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
                        • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
                        • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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                        • phillygirl
                          Not superior, just kind
                          • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                          • 19840

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                          For those who have been confused about the parable in the past, THAT is Sour Grapes.
                          Not at all. Sour grapes would have been saying that the Republicans never really wanted to win Congress anyway.
                          Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
                          Robert Southwell, S.J.

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                          • Adam
                            The way to a woman's heart is through her taste buds.
                            • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                            • 16885

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                            Then why did Republicans lose so badly jus a few months ago?
                            They didn't.
                            It's been ten years since that lonely day I left you
                            In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
                            Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
                            Pray for me, momma, I'm a gypsy now

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                            • Celeste Chalfonte
                              apostate
                              • Saturday, October 5, 2013
                              • 27897

                              #15
                              Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
                              Not at all. Sour grapes would have been saying that the Republicans never really wanted to win Congress anyway.
                              Girl, about your avatar...I'm flattered you chose it, but can we get with the season?
                              "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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