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  • Newman
    Behind the Iron Curtain
    • Friday, November 1, 2013
    • 25814

    #1

    Was Massive Vote Fraud Confirmed with a Fishtail?

    Was Massive Vote Fraud Confirmed with a Fishtail? - American Thinker​
    Sometimes fraud is so far beyond the pale, so egregious, that it is difficult to accept that it happened. But evidence can be too blatant to explain away, especially when two totally different sources of information confirm the existence of the very same fraudulent activity. Such a convergence of evidence occurred in the 2020 election.

    An Anonymous Tip

    An explosive allegation was made: In Pima County, thirty-five thousand (35,000) votes had been added to each Democrat candidate in the election, including Joe Biden. The allegation was made anonymously by someone claiming that he or she met with Democrat Pima County election officials on September 10, 2020, where a plan to rig the vote was hatched.

    The tipster’s written words were described and posted at a meeting of the Arizona Senate on November 30, 2020.
    ​
    When I [the tipster] asked how in the world will 35,000 votes be kept hidden from being discovered, it was stated that spread distribution will be embedded across the entire registered-voter range and will not exceed the registered-vote count, and the 35,000 was determined allowable in Pima County, based on our county registered-vote count [sic].

    It was also stated that total voter turnout versus total registered voters determine how many votes we can embed.

    Maricopa [county] embed total would be substantially higher than Pima’s due to embeds being based upon the total number of registered voters.

    When I asked if this has been tested and how do we know it works, the answer was yes, and has shown success in Arizona judicial-retention elections since 2014, even undetectable in post-audits because no candidate will spend the kind of funds needed to audit and contact voters to verify votes in the full potential of total registered voters, which is more than 500,000 registered voters.
    ​
    Thanks to the efforts of former Arizona Representative Mark Finchem and a brilliant analysis by pattern expert Shiva Ayyadurai, we can guess which precincts allegedly received the phony ballots. Finchem obtained precinct-level voting data for Pima County, the county he represented. These data included, by precinct, the number of people requesting mail-in ballots, the number of people returning the ballots, and the votes for each candidate.

    Dr. Ayyadurai, a pattern recognition expert, noticed that Pima County’s 2020 election had an extraordinarily high mail-in ballot return rate (about 87 percent) when compared to the national average (71 percent) or the average of other Arizona counties (67.6 percent). Even more interesting was the pattern and distribution of precincts in Pima, when arranged by their mail-in ballot return rates.
    ​
    The figure below is a little complicated but worth studying. It is not an Ayyadurai graph, but is similar to the graphs in Dr. Ayyadurai's Pima County analysis. Ayyadurai calls it his “fishtail” graph, for obvious reasons. It is a fascinating diagram that seems to confirm massive fraud in the 2020 election.

    Here is a challenge: Try to explain why there is a tail on this fish!

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    The image in the figure is an approximation of one of Dr. Ayyadurai’s “fishtail” graphs. The “head” is on the left and the “tail” is on the right. Plusses represent Biden’s vote as a percentage of other Democrats, and circles represent Trump’s vote as a percentage of other Republicans. I added the “eye” and “mouth” for artistic reasons!

    Be careful when reading the graph. The “x” axis is not a timeline: Rather, this graph displays precinct clusters organized by the percentage of their mail-in ballots returned, with lower return rates on the left and higher return rates on the right. What about the “y” axis? You may think it compares the votes received by Trump in comparison to Biden, but that is not the case. Instead, Trump is compared to Republicans in general, and Biden is compared to Democrats in general.

    The unnatural pattern in this graph is almost impossible to explain unless there was fraud. There may be a temptation to explain Trump’s apparent loss by saying he was not as popular as other Republicans. However, that was probably not the case. As you can see in the image, Trump had a commanding lead over other Republicans in precincts with average or lower return rates. (And remember: The “average” for Pima -- shown with the vertical line -- was about 19 percent higher than other Arizona counties.) However, when we move to the right side of the graph, into the super-high (and very unrealistic) return rates of 92 percent to almost 100 percent, Trump starts losing relative to other Republicans, and Biden gains relative to other Democrats.

    What does it mean? It appears extremely likely that those extra 35,000 votes were dumped into certain Pima county precincts, and/or votes were switched between the two presidential candidates.

    Adding in the 35,000 phony ballots is what made the turnout rates so high and caused Biden to win the state. And, as the tipster said, the ballots were spread widely. Those 8 dots on the right side of the graph, from 92 percent to 100 percent, represent over 140 precincts. Forty of those precincts have virtually impossible turnout rates of 97 percent or more, according to Dr. Ayyadurai’s analysis. Imagine: Forty precincts with 97 percent or higher turnout!

    More than a year ago, in 2021, I sent a FOIA request to the Criminal Division of the Department of Justice. I requested all documents related to the Division’s investigation of the Pima County election fraud allegation. The Division acknowledged my communication and promised a quick response, as required by regulation. However, a response was never issued, despite multiple follow-up requests.
    ​
    I haven't combed through this thoroughly yet, but I wanted to park it here so I wouldn't lose it.
    • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
    • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
    • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
    • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
    • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
    • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
    • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
    • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
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  • scott
    Go-to Guru
    • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
    • 15799

    #2
    "pattern recognition expert"

    So a stand up philosopher then?


    Last edited by scott; Monday, March 27, 2023, 7:04 PM.
    "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
    -John Locke

    "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
    -Newman

    "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
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    • Newman
      Behind the Iron Curtain
      • Friday, November 1, 2013
      • 25814

      #3
      Originally posted by scott View Post
      "pattern recognition expert"

      So a stand up philosopher then?




      I'm not ready to be that skeptical, though. Statistical analysis and inferences isn't necessarily junk. Bayesian math accounts for a lot of stuff we take for granted, for example.

      And the passage of a little time hasn't dimmed my mystification at Biden drawing so many more votes than Obama, despite what you could see looking at the campaign itself. The subterfuge suggested here would also explain the resistance to "cleaning up the voter registration roles." Bloated numbers are a necessary shield here.

      We'll see.

      I remember early on in the covid hysteria an Israeli professor of statistics observed that masks weren't making a damn bit of difference in infection rates. He was tarred and feathered, and for quoting him I was booted off Nextdoor and unfriended by a couple of people on Facebook. Many (probably most) people cling to the idea that all that masking made some difference, if only a little and therefore it was worth all the crap that came along with it. It still looks like they're wrong.

      The establishment media has it in their stylebook—literally, I suspect (meaning a memo)—that any reference to suspicions that the 2020 election was rigged must be accompanied by a strong disclaimer, such as being labeled a "lie." That raises my suspicions even more, speaking of being skeptical.
      • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
      • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
      • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
      • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
      • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
      • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
      • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
      • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
      • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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      • scott
        Go-to Guru
        • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
        • 15799

        #4
        Originally posted by Newman View Post




        I'm not ready to be that skeptical, though. Statistical analysis and inferences isn't necessarily junk. Bayesian math accounts for a lot of stuff we take for granted, for example.

        And the passage of a little time hasn't dimmed my mystification at Biden drawing so many more votes than Obama, despite what you could see looking at the campaign itself. The subterfuge suggested here would also explain the resistance to "cleaning up the voter registration roles." Bloated numbers are a necessary shield here.

        We'll see.

        I remember early on in the covid hysteria an Israeli professor of statistics observed that masks weren't making a damn bit of difference in infection rates. He was tarred and feathered, and for quoting him I was booted off Nextdoor and unfriended by a couple of people on Facebook. Many (probably most) people cling to the idea that all that masking made some difference, if only a little and therefore it was worth all the crap that came along with it. It still looks like they're wrong.

        The establishment media has it in their stylebook—literally, I suspect (meaning a memo)—that any reference to suspicions that the 2020 election was rigged must be accompanied by a strong disclaimer, such as being labeled a "lie." That raises my suspicions even more, speaking of being skeptical.
        Fair enough, but that same type of analysis was used to make claims that George W. Bush stole the 2004 election especially since so many people in emerging media "didn't know of anyone that voted for Bush" and that exit polls showed a Kerry win, meaning the only way Bush could have won was by rigged voting machines. Some even claimed that Trump stole the election because Hillary won the popular vote, polls predicted her easy win, and voting machines again.

        A bold claim requires compelling evidence and team Trump doesn't have ANY.
        "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
        -John Locke

        "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
        -Newman

        "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
        -Newman

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        • 80zephyr
          Senior Member
          • Saturday, January 3, 2015
          • 19074

          #5
          Originally posted by scott View Post

          Fair enough, but that same type of analysis was used to make claims that George W. Bush stole the 2004 election especially since so many people in emerging media "didn't know of anyone that voted for Bush" and that exit polls showed a Kerry win, meaning the only way Bush could have won was by rigged voting machines. Some even claimed that Trump stole the election because Hillary won the popular vote, polls predicted her easy win, and voting machines again.

          A bold claim requires compelling evidence and team Trump doesn't have ANY.

          Does anyone really think that any court would question the election, even with evidence? It would be the end of the country to overturn the election, and the courts understood that. When they claim a state has no claim to question another states election laws, that is a problem.

          The lawsuit challenged election results in Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. The high court said Texas did not have standing to bring the case.


          Mark

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          • Celeste Chalfonte
            apostate
            • Saturday, October 5, 2013
            • 27897

            #6
            Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post


            Does anyone really think that any court would question the election, even with evidence? It would be the end of the country to overturn the election, and the courts understood that. When they claim a state has no claim to question another states election laws, that is a problem.

            The lawsuit challenged election results in Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. The high court said Texas did not have standing to bring the case.


            Mark
            No, if the Court allowed a state to challenge another state's election laws, that would be a problem. You know, like the Civil War. The Constitution gives the states power to establish their own election laws. Texas had no standing, just as California has no standing to sue Florida or Texas over their elections laws. Do we really want the Court to decide to the contrary? Not that it could, Constitutionally.
            "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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            • Newman
              Behind the Iron Curtain
              • Friday, November 1, 2013
              • 25814

              #7
              Originally posted by scott View Post

              Fair enough, but that same type of analysis was used to make claims that George W. Bush stole the 2004 election especially since so many people in emerging media "didn't know of anyone that voted for Bush" and that exit polls showed a Kerry win, meaning the only way Bush could have won was by rigged voting machines. Some even claimed that Trump stole the election because Hillary won the popular vote, polls predicted her easy win, and voting machines again.

              A bold claim requires compelling evidence and team Trump doesn't have ANY.
              This old-ish thread might stand re-examining in the coming months.

              I believe the intent of the Democratic Party to tilt elections with illegal voters through motor voter registrations—and to tilt the coming census—is beyond serious dispute. Their efforts to hide voter rolls and prohibit any voter identification measures, as well as mass mail-in votes and legalized "harvesting" of those votes, is prima facie evidence of fraudulent intent.

              I believe when a candidate is polling around 30%, and a trove of about 25,000 late-arriving ballots have zero votes for that candidate, something fishier than the graph at the start of this thread is being deployed.
              • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
              • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
              • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
              • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
              • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
              • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
              • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
              • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
              • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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              • 80zephyr
                Senior Member
                • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                • 19074

                #8
                Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post

                No, if the Court allowed a state to challenge another state's election laws, that would be a problem. You know, like the Civil War. The Constitution gives the states power to establish their own election laws. Texas had no standing, just as California has no standing to sue Florida or Texas over their elections laws. Do we really want the Court to decide to the contrary? Not that it could, Constitutionally.
                Glad that Newman resurrected this thread. What Texas went to court for was the FACT that those states were not following their own laws. And Texas should have had the right to bring action against them.

                Mark
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                "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

                Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

                Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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                • Celeste Chalfonte
                  apostate
                  • Saturday, October 5, 2013
                  • 27897

                  #9
                  Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post

                  Glad that Newman resurrected this thread. What Texas went to court for was the FACT that those states were not following their own laws. And Texas should have had the right to bring action against them.

                  Mark
                  The case was decided on standing to sue. Had a citizen or group of citizens of the states in question sued, the case might have been decided on the merits. Texas had no standing to sue to enforce its interpretation of another state's laws. Period. Because there was no plaintiff with standing to sue, the Court lacked original jurisdiction.

                  The Court was correct. You are incorrect.
                  "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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                  • 80zephyr
                    Senior Member
                    • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                    • 19074

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post

                    The case was decided on standing to sue. Had a citizen or group of citizens of the states in question sued, the case might have been decided on the merits. Texas had no standing to sue to enforce its interpretation of another state's laws. Period. Because there was no plaintiff with standing to sue, the Court lacked original jurisdiction.

                    The Court was correct. You are incorrect.
                    If one state does not have the right to stop another state from cheating, something is wrong with our system.

                    Mark
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                    "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

                    Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

                    Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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                    • Newman
                      Behind the Iron Curtain
                      • Friday, November 1, 2013
                      • 25814

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post

                      The case was decided on standing to sue. Had a citizen or group of citizens of the states in question sued, the case might have been decided on the merits. Texas had no standing to sue to enforce its interpretation of another state's laws. Period. Because there was no plaintiff with standing to sue, the Court lacked original jurisdiction.

                      The Court was correct. You are incorrect.
                      Democrats and Trump-haters have tirelessly proclaimed the courts decided uniformly against Trump's suits against the 2020 election result, and the AP/USA stylebook at least stipulated that every mention of Trump's doubts shall be accompanied by a negative descriptor like "without evidence," "falsely" or "baseless." (Too bad they weren't as skeptical about a number of other campaigns, such as the "Russian Dossier" or Fauci's Covid protocols.)

                      Yet I believe all 60 (or so) of those court cases were dismissed for lack of standing grounds or other technical grounds. None was decided on the merits. The Democrats' claim that the courts dismissed Trump's complaints is misleading at best.

                      Another Court decision that has bothered me has to do with claims that Barack Obama was ineligible to be President. If memory serves the SCOTUS dismissed the case arguing the election settled the issue. It was water under the bridge, or over the dam or something. The election confirmed the public will. ("If memory serves" is becoming a significant disclaimer. My head is not the Blackstone I used to imagine. )

                      If my recollection is essentially correct, though, it's a very thin line to walk, between "life has moved on" and "letting the bastards get away with it." It's akin to efforts to discredit disclosures about Bill Clinton's various scandals by breathlessly giving the media printouts of breaking bombshells minutes ahead of "air time," and then claiming it was "old news" and "it's time to move along."
                      • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
                      • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
                      • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
                      • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
                      • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
                      • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
                      • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
                      • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
                      • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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                      • Newman
                        Behind the Iron Curtain
                        • Friday, November 1, 2013
                        • 25814

                        #12
                        Two other things about "election integrity."

                        It's dismissed as trivial, but the moment it becomes consequential, that is, when corruption swings elections, it's exponentially harder to correct, for the simple reason that those guarding the henhouse are in power precisely through that corruption. Their survival depends on suppressing law enforcement.

                        Second, lawbreakers always have inflated egos and a concomitant sense of invulnerability. They see themselves as more important, or at least far more clever, than bothersome laws that would trip them up. And they always make mistakes that become increasingly blatant.

                        Florida's Brenda Snipes was an example, or "Wanda" in CT:


                        "Pride goeth before the fall" is as true now as it was thousands of years ago. Trouble is, a lot of victims goeth first.

                        • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
                        • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
                        • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
                        • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
                        • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
                        • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
                        • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
                        • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
                        • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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                        • 80zephyr
                          Senior Member
                          • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                          • 19074

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Newman View Post

                          Democrats and Trump-haters have tirelessly proclaimed the courts decided uniformly against Trump's suits against the 2020 election result, and the AP/USA stylebook at least stipulated that every mention of Trump's doubts shall be accompanied by a negative descriptor like "without evidence," "falsely" or "baseless." (Too bad they weren't as skeptical about a number of other campaigns, such as the "Russian Dossier" or Fauci's Covid protocols.)

                          Yet I believe all 60 (or so) of those court cases were dismissed for lack of standing grounds or other technical grounds. None was decided on the merits. The Democrats' claim that the courts dismissed Trump's complaints is misleading at best.

                          Another Court decision that has bothered me has to do with claims that Barack Obama was ineligible to be President. If memory serves the SCOTUS dismissed the case arguing the election settled the issue. It was water under the bridge, or over the dam or something. The election confirmed the public will. ("If memory serves" is becoming a significant disclaimer. My head is not the Blackstone I used to imagine. )

                          If my recollection is essentially correct, though, it's a very thin line to walk, between "life has moved on" and "letting the bastards get away with it." It's akin to efforts to discredit disclosures about Bill Clinton's various scandals by breathlessly giving the media printouts of breaking bombshells minutes ahead of "air time," and then claiming it was "old news" and "it's time to move along."
                          Because if the Texas case was decided on its merits, it would have thrown the entire election into turmoil. I can understand wht the SCOTUS acted like they did, in this and all the other election cases.

                          But is still doesn't make it right.

                          Mark
                          Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

                          "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

                          Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

                          Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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                          • Newman
                            Behind the Iron Curtain
                            • Friday, November 1, 2013
                            • 25814

                            #14
                            Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post

                            Because if the Texas case was decided on its merits, it would have thrown the entire election into turmoil. I can understand wht the SCOTUS acted like they did, in this and all the other election cases.

                            But is still doesn't make it right.

                            Mark
                            I believe Biden's election was a lie. A lie going in, a Potemkin village presidency from start to finish (almost literally with his little fake oval office studio), and a lie going out.

                            But I also think it was miracle, working to our country's benefit. By miracle I mean an unimagined confluence of a gazillion unusual things that produced the split terms of Donald Trump.

                            I completely believe that if Trump had returned to office in 2020, we would've trundled on, likely a successful conservative presidency and a revitalization akin to Saint Reagan's Rescue of America two generations earlier.

                            But the larger and absolutely necessary battle would not have been engaged. The Deep State and the open borders Democrats would've simply waited him out. Iran would've waited him out. The WEF globalists and the climate lemmings also.

                            Biden's installation allowed these malevolent parties to emerge exultant, full throttle and prematurely. It allowed the country to witness it. It allowed Trump to re-tool.

                            The story is not over, of course, and survival as a free country uncertain. Nevertheless there are possible outcomes that were not realistic before. And certainly the country is immensely better prepared, and our enemies—like open borders, brazen voting fraud, the climate lemmings and the WEF, the WHO, Cuba & Venezuela and deep state subversives—much weaker, than otherwise would have been the case.

                            One possible outcome is the disintegration of the Democratic Party as a national force. It may not seem so at the moment, but the takeover by radical elements really shows how weak and brittle the DNC has become. It doesn't mean that radical elements are now mainstream. (Radical elements are dangerous, though. They're gladly tell you revolutions are caried out by minority factions.)
                            Last edited by Newman; Wednesday, August 5, 2026, 7:08 AM.
                            • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
                            • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
                            • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
                            • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
                            • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
                            • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
                            • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
                            • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
                            • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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                            • 80zephyr
                              Senior Member
                              • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                              • 19074

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Newman View Post

                              I believe Biden's election was a lie. A lie going in, a Potemkin village presidency from start to finish (almost literally with his little fake oval office studio), and a lie going out.

                              But I also think it was miracle, working to our country's benefit. By miracle I mean an unimagined confluence of a gazillion unusual things that produced the split terms of Donald Trump.

                              I completely believe that if Trump had returned to office in 2020, we would've trundled on, likely a successful conservative presidency and a revitalization akin to Saint Reagan's Rescue of America two generations earlier.

                              But the larger and absolutely necessary battle would not have been engaged. The Deep State and the open borders Democrats would've simply waited him out. Iran would've waited him out. The WEF globalists and the climate lemmings also.

                              Biden's installation allowed these malevolent parties to emerge exultant, full throttle and prematurely. It allowed the country to witness it. It allowed Trump to re-tool.

                              The story is not over, of course, and survival as a free country uncertain. Nevertheless there are possible outcomes that were not realistic before. And certainly the country is immensely better prepared, and our enemies—like open borders, brazen voting fraud, the climate lemmings and the WEF, the WHO, Cuba & Venezuela and deep state subversives—much weaker, than otherwise would have been the case.

                              One possible outcome is the disintegration of the Democratic Party as a national force. It may not seem so at the moment, but the takeover by radical elements really shows how weak and brittle the DNC has become. It doesn't mean that radical elements are now mainstream. (Radical elements are dangerous, though. They're gladly tell you revolutions are caried out by minority factions.)
                              Excellent post. And you are absolutely correct. Trump having a split term is one of the best things to have ever happened. He had 4 years to stew and plan on what to do if he got

                              the chance again.

                              Mark
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