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  • Gingersnap
    Resident stylistic consultant
    • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
    • 24058

    #1

    America Is So in Play

    America Is So in Play


    By PEGGY NOONAN
    Aug. 27, 2015 6:41 p.m. ET
    1155 COMMENTS
    So, more thoughts on Donald Trump’s candidacy, because I can’t stop being fascinated.

    You know the latest numbers. Quinnipiac University’s poll this week has Mr. Trump at a hefty 28% nationally, up from 20% in July. Public Policy Polling has Mr. Trump leading all Republicans in New Hampshire with 35%. A Monmouth University poll has him at 30% in South Carolina, followed 15 points later by Ben Carson.

    Here are some things I think are happening.

    One is the deepening estrangement between the elites and the non-elites in America. This is the area in which Trumpism flourishes. We’ll talk about that deeper in.

    Second, Mr. Trump’s support is not limited to Republicans, not by any means.

    Third, the traditional mediating or guiding institutions within the Republican universe—its establishment, respected voices in conservative media, sober-minded state party officials—have little to no impact on Mr. Trump’s rise. Some say voices of authority should stand up to oppose him, which will lower his standing. But Republican powers don’t have that kind of juice anymore. Mr. Trump’s supporters aren’t just bucking a party, they’re bucking everything around, within and connected to it.

    Since Mr. Trump announced I’ve worked or traveled in, among other places, Southern California, Connecticut, Georgia, Virginia, New Jersey and New York’s Long Island. In all places I just talked to people. My biggest sense is that political professionals are going to have to rethink “the base,” reimagine it when they see it in their minds.

    I’ve written before about an acquaintance—late 60s, northern Georgia, lives on Social Security, voted Obama in ’08, not partisan, watches Fox News, hates Wall Street and “the GOP establishment.” She continues to be so ardent for Mr. Trump that she not only watched his speech in Mobile, Ala., on live TV, she watched while excitedly texting with family members—middle-class, white, independent-minded—who were in the audience cheering. Is that “the Republican base”? I guess maybe it is, because she texted me Wednesday to say she’d just registered Republican. I asked if she’d ever been one before. Reply: “No, never!!!”

    Something is going on, some tectonic plates are moving in interesting ways. My friend Cesar works the deli counter at my neighborhood grocery store. He is Dominican, an immigrant, early 50s, and listens most mornings to a local Hispanic radio station, La Mega, on 97.9 FM. Their morning show is the popular “El Vacilón de la Mañana,” and after the first GOP debate, Cesar told me, they opened the lines to call-ins, asking listeners (mostly Puerto Rican, Dominican, Mexican) for their impressions. More than half called in to say they were for Mr. Trump. Their praise, Cesar told me a few weeks ago, dumbfounded the hosts. I later spoke to one of them, who identified himself as D.J. New Era. He backed Cesar’s story. “We were very surprised,” at the Trump support, he said. Why? “It’s a Latin-based market!”

    “He’s the man,” Cesar said of Mr. Trump. This week I went by and Cesar told me that after Mr. Trump threw Univision’s well-known anchor and immigration activist, Jorge Ramos, out of an Iowa news conference on Tuesday evening, the “El Vacilón” hosts again threw open the phone lines the following morning and were again surprised that the majority of callers backed not Mr. Ramos but Mr. Trump. Cesar, who I should probably note sees me, I sense, as a very nice establishment person who needs to get with the new reality, was delighted.

    I said: Cesar, you’re supposed to be offended by Trump, he said Mexico is sending over criminals, he has been unfriendly, you’re an immigrant. Cesar shook his head: No, you have it wrong. Immigrants, he said, don’t like illegal immigration, and they’re with Mr. Trump on anchor babies. “They are coming in from other countries to give birth to take advantage of the system. We are saying that! When you come to this country, you pledge loyalty to the country that opened the doors to help you.”

    He added, “We don’t bloc vote anymore.” The idea of a “Latin vote” is “disparate,” which he said generally translates as nonsense, but which he means as “bull----.”

    He finished, on the subject of Jorge Ramos: “The elite have different notions from the grass-roots working people.”

    OK. Old style: Jorge Ramos speaks for Hispanic America. New style: Jorge Ramos speaks for Jorge Ramos. Old style: If I’ve lost Walter Cronkite, I’ve lost middle America. New style: How touching that an American president once thought if you lost a newsman you’d lost a country.

    It is noted that a poll this week said Hispanics are very much not for Donald Trump. Gallup had 65% with an unfavorable view of him, and only 14% favorable. Mr. Trump and Mr. Ramos actually got into that, when Mr. Ramos finally questioned him after being allowed back into the news conference. Mr. Trump countered with a recent Nevada poll that has him with a state lead of 28%—and he scored even higher with Nevada’s Hispanics, who gave him 31% support.

    I will throw in here that almost wherever I’ve been this summer, I kept meeting immigrants who are or have grown conservative—more men than women, but women too.

    America is so in play.

    And: “the base” isn’t the limited, clichéd thing it once was, it’s becoming a big, broad jumble that few understand.

    ***
    On the subject of elites, I spoke to Scott Miller, co-founder of the Sawyer Miller political-consulting firm, who is now a corporate consultant. He worked on the Ross Perot campaign in 1992 and knows something about outside challenges. He views the key political fact of our time as this: “Over 80% of the American people, across the board, believe an elite group of political incumbents, plus big business, big media, big banks, big unions and big special interests—the whole Washington political class—have rigged the system for the wealthy and connected.” It is “a remarkable moment,” he said. More than half of the American people believe “something has changed, our democracy is not like it used to be, people feel they no longer have a voice.”

    Mr. Miller added: “People who work for a living are thinking this thing is broken, and that economic inequality is the result of the elite rigging the system for themselves. We’re seeing something big.”

    Support for Mr. Trump is not, he said, limited to the GOP base: “The molecules are in motion.” I asked what he meant. He said bars of support are not solid, things are in motion as molecules are “before combustion, or before a branch breaks.”

    I end with this. An odd thing, in my observation, is that deep down the elite themselves also think the game is rigged. They don’t disagree, and they don’t like what they see—corruption, shallowness and selfishness in the systems all around them. Their odd anguish is that they have no faith the American people can—or will—do anything to turn it around. They see the American voter as distracted, poorly educated, subject to emotional and personality-driven political adventures. They sometimes refer to “Jaywalking,” the old Jay Leno “Tonight Show” staple in which he walked outside the studio and asked the man on the street about history. What caused the American Civil War? Um, Hitler? When did it take place, roughly? Uh, 1958?

    Both sides, the elites and the non-elites, sense that things are stuck.

    The people hate the elites, which is not new, and very American. The elites have no faith in the people, which, actually, is new. Everything is stasis. Then Donald Trump comes, like a rock thrown through a showroom window, and the molecules start to move.
    I'm not a huge fan of Noonan but she's on to something here. Trump isn't really my guy (nobody is at this point) but there seems to be sea change coming in terms of how the American public views both politics and kingmakers (on either side).

    I was surprised to see how favorably Trump is viewed by the early pool crowd. These people aren't representative of the country as a whole - they are fairly self-directed and highly motivated (you have to be to get up and wet that early) and pretty non-political but they like Trump. Kicking Ramos out just made them like him more. They saw it as a fairness issue: if one person monopolizes all the time, nobody gets what they want.

    Interesting times.

    WSJ
    "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."
  • phillygirl
    Not superior, just kind
    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
    • 19840

    #2
    It is interesting times. I'll admit to really not liking Trump early on. He's still not "my guy" (and I don't know who "my guy" is yet either), but I'm finding myself rooting for him because of so much disinformation about what he actually says. Don't get me wrong, I still don't think he's come out with all that much in terms of actual policy, but his general ideas are at least things that need to be talked about.
    Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
    Robert Southwell, S.J.

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    • Norm dePlume
      Err foil
      • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
      • 14904

      #3
      On the subject of elites, I spoke to Scott Miller, co-founder of the Sawyer Miller political-consulting firm, who is now a corporate consultant. He worked on the Ross Perot campaign in 1992 and knows something about outside challenges. He views the key political fact of our time as this: “Over 80% of the American people, across the board, believe an elite group of political incumbents, plus big business, big media, big banks, big unions and big special interests—the whole Washington political class—have rigged the system for the wealthy and connected.” It is “a remarkable moment,” he said. More than half of the American people believe “something has changed, our democracy is not like it used to be, people feel they no longer have a voice.”
      No shit.

      The “appearance of corruption” can make matters worse.
      It can lead the public to believe that its efforts to communicate
      with its representatives or to help sway public
      opinion have little purpose. And a cynical public can lose
      interest in political participation altogether. See Nixon v.
      Shrink Missouri Government PAC, 528 U. S. 377, 390
      (2000) (“[T]he cynical assumption that large donors call
      the tune could jeopardize the willingness of voters to take
      part in democratic governance”).

      -Justice Breyer, dissenting, McCutcheon v. FEC
      So maybe some folks, rather than expressing their cynicism by withholding their opinion, express it by saying, "I'll take the reality TV clown with the tribble on his head."
      Enjoy.

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      • phillygirl
        Not superior, just kind
        • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
        • 19840

        #4
        Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
        No shit.



        So maybe some folks, rather than expressing their cynicism by withholding their opinion, express it by saying, "I'll take the reality TV clown with the tribble on his head."
        That would explain Obama.
        Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
        Robert Southwell, S.J.

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        • Norm dePlume
          Err foil
          • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
          • 14904

          #5
          Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
          That would explain Obama.
          I've never heard anyone say they like Obama because he's offensive. I thought the narrative on Obama is that people like him because he's gonna pay their electric bill.
          Enjoy.

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          • Billy Jingo
            I shave with Occam's Razor
            • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
            • 18663

            #6
            Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
            That would explain Obama.
            For good or ill, either through manipulation or sincerely, Obama's success represents an appeal the nation's better angels.

            Trump is America; ugly, vulgar, and joyously fantastic.

            For my part I don't think he will get anywhere near the White House.
            “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

            ~ Omar El Akkad
            ​

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            • Norm dePlume
              Err foil
              • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
              • 14904

              #7
              People that watch Wrestlemania -- they know it's fixed. They're just rooting for the most entertaining character. It's the same way for a bunch of Trump supporters. They figure the political game is rigged and it ain't gonna matter much either way who wins, and they're just rooting for the most entertaining contender. Can you get any more cynical than that?
              Enjoy.

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              • Michele
                Senior Member
                • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                • 13964

                #8
                Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                For good or ill, either through manipulation or sincerely, Obama's success represents an appeal the nation's better angels.

                Trump is America; ugly, vulgar, and joyously fantastic.

                For my part I don't think he will get anywhere near the White House.
                What's Clinton?
                May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
                Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
                And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
                may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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                • phillygirl
                  Not superior, just kind
                  • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                  • 19840

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                  For good or ill, either through manipulation or sincerely, Obama's success represents an appeal the nation's better angels.

                  Trump is America; ugly, vulgar, and joyously fantastic.

                  For my part I don't think he will get anywhere near the White House.
                  I view America as beautiful, diverse, free to speak, even when it offends, the best of the best and the ultimate in promise. Perhaps our views of America explain our differences in politics.
                  Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
                  Robert Southwell, S.J.

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                  • Billy Jingo
                    I shave with Occam's Razor
                    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                    • 18663

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Michele View Post
                    What's Clinton?
                    Payback for party unity in 2008.

                    My take, anyway. You have to admit, she really doesn't have the public excitement you would expect from the first female president. Sort of a m'eh.
                    “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

                    ~ Omar El Akkad
                    ​

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                    • Billy Jingo
                      I shave with Occam's Razor
                      • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                      • 18663

                      #11
                      Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
                      I view America as beautiful, diverse, free to speak, even when it offends, the best of the best and the ultimate in promise. Perhaps our views of America explain our differences in politics.
                      I used the wrong punctuation and sentence structure. I meant an ugly and vulgar part of America. And our differences in political thought Is explained by our respective views on the New Testament.
                      “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

                      ~ Omar El Akkad
                      ​

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                      • Gingersnap
                        Resident stylistic consultant
                        • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                        • 24058

                        #12
                        It's not the electorate that has become cynical - it's the political leadership. The electorate is just desperate.
                        "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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                        • Gramps
                          Junior Member
                          • Friday, October 4, 2013
                          • 3850

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                          For good or ill, either through manipulation or sincerely, Obama's success represents an appeal the nation's better angels.

                          Trump is America; ugly, vulgar, and joyously fantastic.

                          For my part I don't think he will get anywhere near the White House.
                          You are so pure I can't see you.
                          Robert Francis O'Rourke, Democrat, White guy, spent ~78 million to defeat, Ted Cruz, Republican immigrant Dark guy and lost
                          But the Republicans are racist.

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                          • scott
                            Go-to Guru
                            • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                            • 15799

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                            People that watch Wrestlemania -- they know it's fixed. They're just rooting for the most entertaining character. It's the same way for a bunch of Trump supporters. They figure the political game is rigged and it ain't gonna matter much either way who wins, and they're just rooting for the most entertaining contender. Can you get any more cynical than that?
                            Yes.

                            Rooting for Sanders because regardless of whether his policies will actually work, you want someone to "fight for the middle class" even if that means fighting for the government monopoly. Rooting for Elizabeth Warren is even more cynical because she's just batshit crazy and everyone knows it. But she's a liberal with a vagina that isn't Hilary Clinton.

                            The Trump support springs from people who are just plain fed up with politics and would rather see someone who has been successful outside of the political arena give it a shot.

                            Typically Republicans make their own money and then run for President while Democrats get elected and then parlay that into wealth.
                            "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
                            -John Locke

                            "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
                            -Newman

                            "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
                            -Newman

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                            • Billy Jingo
                              I shave with Occam's Razor
                              • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                              • 18663

                              #15
                              Originally posted by scott View Post
                              Yes.

                              Rooting for Sanders because regardless of whether his policies will actually work, you want someone to "fight for the middle class" even if that means fighting for the government monopoly. Rooting for Elizabeth Warren is even more cynical because she's just batshit crazy and everyone knows it. But she's a liberal with a vagina that isn't Hilary Clinton.

                              The Trump support springs from people who are just plain fed up with politics and would rather see someone who has been successful outside of the political arena give it a shot.

                              Typically Republicans make their own money and then run for President while Democrats get elected and then parlay that into wealth.
                              Seriously? Regulating banks is batshit crazy but building a wall and Mexico being happy to pay for it (not to mention the deportation thing) is reasonable discourse?

                              As far as your last paragraph, Scott Walker laughed.
                              “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

                              ~ Omar El Akkad
                              ​

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