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  • Billy Jingo
    I shave with Occam's Razor
    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
    • 18663

    #1

    Will the Supreme Court Just Disappear?

    Will the Supreme Court Just Disappear?



    At about 4:30 p.m. on Saturday, February 13, the San Antonio Express-News reported that Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia had died. Within minutes — before the rest of the country even knew for certain whether the report was correct — the gears of conservative activism had begun to turn. “If Scalia has actually passed away,” tweeted Sean Davis, a former Republican staffer and co-founder of the conservative publication The Federalist, at 5:52, “the Senate must refuse to confirm any justices in 2016 and leave the nomination to the next president.” At 5:53, conservative activist Phil Kerpen tweeted, “Senate must keep vacant past election.” At 5:56, Conn Carroll, the communications director for Republican senator Mike Lee, was already certain this position would prevail, writing, “What is less than zero? The chances of Obama successfully appointing a Supreme Court Justice to replace Scalia?” By 6:20, less than two hours after the first reports of Scalia’s death, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell had issued an official statement declaring, “This vacancy should not be filled until we have a new president.”

    The world changes fast these days, but it doesn’t change that fast. In reality, the old order — the only one we’ve known, in which custom dictates that presidents have a right to fill Supreme Court vacancies with a justice who has at least somewhat friendly views — had already disappeared. Scalia’s death revealed the tectonic shifts that have taken place beneath our feet. It was the demise not only of a towering justice, or even of his slender majority, but of the institution’s ancient and inviolable standing in political life.

    Though the Republican presidential candidates who gathered to debate that evening defended the McConnell position with impressive-sounding specifics, those specifics, characteristically, turned out to be wrong. Obama is not a “lame-duck president,” as Marco Rubio had it. (The country hasn’t yet chosen a successor.) There haven’t been “80 years of precedent of not confirming Supreme Court justices in an election year,” as Ted Cruz claimed. (The Senate confirmed Anthony Kennedy in 1988.) Donald Trump, also characteristically, did not even bother with the pretense of moral justification for denying any Obama pick: “It’s called delay, delay, delay,” he said, once again discomfiting professional Republicans by saying what their voters are actually thinking.

    The Constitution’s instructions that the Senate “advise and consent” on nominees to the courts and the executive branch has meant different things at different times. Sometimes, the Senate has given the president wide latitude to appoint justices of a similar bent. As McConnell wrote in a 1970 law-review article, “The President is presumably elected by the people to carry out a program and altering the ideological directions of the Supreme Court would seem to be a perfectly legitimate part of a presidential platform.” Other times, the Senate has withheld its consent from nominees deemed too extreme — though no party had yet proposed or adopted blanket opposition to any nominee from the opposing party, until now.

    But while the Republican blockade may lack any *precedent, it, too, is probably well within the law. This is the problem. Americans like to imagine our form of government as a perfectly designed system of checks and balances that prevents any one branch from abusing its power. In fact, as the late Spanish political scientist Juan Linz pointed out a quarter-century ago, presidential systems nearly always collapse. Linz attributed America’s unusual ability to make its presidential system operate without violent coups to its weak, ideologically overlapping parties. But that signal observation, which was true when Linz made it, has grown less true over time, as the Democrats have moved somewhat leftward and the Republican Party has lurched far to the right.

    It turns out that what has held together American government is less the elaborate rules hammered out by the guys in the wigs in 1789 than a series of social norms that have begun to disintegrate. Senate filibusters were supposed to be rare, until they became routine. They weren’t supposed to be applied to judicial nominations, then they were. The Senate majority would never dream of changing the rules to limit the filibuster; the minority party would never plan to withhold all support from the president even before he took office; it would never threaten to default on the debt to extort concessions from the president. And then all of this happened.
    “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

    ~ Omar El Akkad
    ​
  • 80zephyr
    Senior Member
    • Saturday, January 3, 2015
    • 19074

    #2
    Sort of amazing that America was doing just fine until the left wanted to change everything.

    Mark
    Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

    "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

    Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

    Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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    • Norm dePlume
      Err foil
      • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
      • 14904

      #3
      Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
      Sort of amazing that America was doing just fine until the left wanted to change everything.

      Mark
      You mean 1932?
      Enjoy.

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      • 80zephyr
        Senior Member
        • Saturday, January 3, 2015
        • 19074

        #4
        Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
        You mean 1932?
        Actually, I mean forever. The left believes FDR helped our country with those programs while conservatives don't believe it.

        Mark
        Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

        "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

        Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

        Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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        • Norm dePlume
          Err foil
          • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
          • 14904

          #5
          Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
          But while the Republican blockade may lack any *precedent, it, too, is probably well within the law. This is the problem. Americans like to imagine our form of government as a perfectly designed system of checks and balances that prevents any one branch from abusing its power. In fact, as the late Spanish political scientist Juan Linz pointed out a quarter-century ago, presidential systems nearly always collapse. Linz attributed America’s unusual ability to make its presidential system operate without violent coups to its weak, ideologically overlapping parties. But that signal observation, which was true when Linz made it, has grown less true over time, as the Democrats have moved somewhat leftward and the Republican Party has lurched far to the right.

          It turns out that what has held together American government is less the elaborate rules hammered out by the guys in the wigs in 1789 than a series of social norms that have begun to disintegrate. Senate filibusters were supposed to be rare, until they became routine. They weren’t supposed to be applied to judicial nominations, then they were. The Senate majority would never dream of changing the rules to limit the filibuster; the minority party would never plan to withhold all support from the president even before he took office; it would never threaten to default on the debt to extort concessions from the president. And then all of this happened.
          I've thought before about starting a thread on Linz and his thoughts on presidentialism. That came up during the budget standoff in 2013. I went so far as to look up some cool graphs on ideological polarization in Congress. Like here. And here.

          Enjoy.

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          • Norm dePlume
            Err foil
            • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
            • 14904

            #6
            Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
            Actually, I mean forever. The left believes FDR helped our country with those programs while conservatives don't believe it.

            Mark
            Ah, so "American was doing just fine until" "forever." So, it's been downhill from the start. American peaked at the big bang, and it's been downhill ever since. Thanks for your input.
            Enjoy.

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            • Billy Jingo
              I shave with Occam's Razor
              • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
              • 18663

              #7
              Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
              I've thought before about starting a thread on Linz and his thoughts on presidentialism. That came up during the budget standoff in 2013. I went so far as to look up some cool graphs on ideological polarization in Congress. Like here. And here.

              That is a cool graphic.
              “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

              ~ Omar El Akkad
              ​

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              • 80zephyr
                Senior Member
                • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                • 19074

                #8
                Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                Ah, so "American was doing just fine until" "forever." So, it's been downhill from the start. American peaked at the big bang, and it's been downhill ever since. Thanks for your input.
                Yep. They would be doing good forever if the left would sit down and shut up. I hope that statement doesn't send you off to a "safe space" somewhere, but it has to be said.

                Mark
                Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

                "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

                Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

                Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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                • phillygirl
                  Not superior, just kind
                  • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                  • 19840

                  #9
                  The Republicans were absolutely wrong for stating that they would block any nominee of the President's. They have every right to review and review carefully. Signalling ahead of time that they would not find any nominee acceptable is politics at its worst. I understand the disappointment that this turn of events brings, and the power that is exerted by having the ability to appoint a nominee that will shape the court for at least the next 20 years, but that's simply the way our country is fashioned. Both sides ought to shut the hell up about it and get to work to see if an appropriate candidate can be found.
                  Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
                  Robert Southwell, S.J.

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                  • Norm dePlume
                    Err foil
                    • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                    • 14904

                    #10
                    Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
                    The Republicans were absolutely wrong for stating that they would block any nominee of the President's. They have every right to review and review carefully. Signalling ahead of time that they would not find any nominee acceptable is politics at its worst. I understand the disappointment that this turn of events brings, and the power that is exerted by having the ability to appoint a nominee that will shape the court for at least the next 20 years, but that's simply the way our country is fashioned. Both sides ought to shut the hell up about it and get to work to see if an appropriate candidate can be found.
                    This is just the latest in an endless series of government dysfunctions. A symptom of a deeper problem.
                    Enjoy.

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                    • Billy Jingo
                      I shave with Occam's Razor
                      • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                      • 18663

                      #11
                      Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
                      The Republicans were absolutely wrong for stating that they would block any nominee of the President's. They have every right to review and review carefully. Signalling ahead of time that they would not find any nominee acceptable is politics at its worst. I understand the disappointment that this turn of events brings, and the power that is exerted by having the ability to appoint a nominee that will shape the court for at least the next 20 years, but that's simply the way our country is fashioned. Both sides ought to shut the hell up about it and get to work to see if an appropriate candidate can be found.
                      It will only shape it until the next death or retirement. Other than that, it is incremental, at best.

                      The problem is a lot bigger than one seat on the Bench.
                      “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

                      ~ Omar El Akkad
                      ​

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                      • 80zephyr
                        Senior Member
                        • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                        • 19074

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                        This is just the latest in an endless series of government dysfunctions. A symptom of a deeper problem.
                        You're right. The "deeper" problem is that, except for gun control, I can't think of one area in our society that hasn't moved way to the left in the past 50 years.

                        What I believe is happening now is that the citizenry is FINALLY waking up to the fact that people who believe in safe spaces and gender fluidity are, quite frankly, out of their minds.

                        Mark
                        Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

                        "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

                        Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

                        Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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                        • Billy Jingo
                          I shave with Occam's Razor
                          • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                          • 18663

                          #13
                          Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
                          Actually, I mean forever. The left believes FDR helped our country with those programs while conservatives don't believe it.

                          Mark
                          Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
                          Yep. They would be doing good forever if the left would sit down and shut up. I hope that statement doesn't send you off to a "safe space" somewhere, but it has to be said.

                          Mark
                          Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
                          You're right. The "deeper" problem is that, except for gun control, I can't think of one area in our society that hasn't moved way to the left in the past 50 years.

                          What I believe is happening now is that the citizenry is FINALLY waking up to the fact that people who believe in safe spaces and gender fluidity are, quite frankly, out of their minds.

                          Mark


                          "On a clear night in March at ten pm sharp a crowd of one hundred people, all dressed in black tie attire, came to the Galerie International d'Art Contemporain in Paris. The event was the first conceptual piece to be shown at this gallery by their new artist Mr. Yves Klein. The gallery was one of the finest in Paris.

                          Mr. Klein in a black dinner jacket proceeded to conduct a ten piece orchestra in his personal composition of The Monotone Symphony, which he had written in 1949. This symphony consisted of one note.

                          Three models appeared, all with very beautiful naked bodies. They were then conducted as was the full orchestra by Mr. Klein. The music began. The models then rolled themselves in the blue paint that had been placed on giant pieces of artist paper - the paper had been carefully placed on one side of the galleries' wall and floor area - opposite the full orchestra. Everything was composed so breathtakingly beautifully. The spectacle was surely a metaphysical and spiritual event for all. This went on for twenty minutes. When the symphony stopped it was followed by a strict twenty minutes of silence, in which everyone in the room willingly froze themselves in their own private meditation space.

                          At the end of Yves' piece everyone in the audience was fully aware they had been in the presence of a genius at work, the piece was a huge success! Mr. Klein triumphed. It would be his greatest moment in art history, a total success.

                          The spectacle had unquestionable poetic beauty, and Mr. Kleins' last words that night were, 'THE MYTH IS IN ART'."


                          ~ The Monotone Symphony
                          “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

                          ~ Omar El Akkad
                          ​

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                          • 80zephyr
                            Senior Member
                            • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                            • 19074

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post


                            "On a clear night in March at ten pm sharp a crowd of one hundred people, all dressed in black tie attire, came to the Galerie International d'Art Contemporain in Paris. The event was the first conceptual piece to be shown at this gallery by their new artist Mr. Yves Klein. The gallery was one of the finest in Paris.

                            Mr. Klein in a black dinner jacket proceeded to conduct a ten piece orchestra in his personal composition of The Monotone Symphony, which he had written in 1949. This symphony consisted of one note.

                            Three models appeared, all with very beautiful naked bodies. They were then conducted as was the full orchestra by Mr. Klein. The music began. The models then rolled themselves in the blue paint that had been placed on giant pieces of artist paper - the paper had been carefully placed on one side of the galleries' wall and floor area - opposite the full orchestra. Everything was composed so breathtakingly beautifully. The spectacle was surely a metaphysical and spiritual event for all. This went on for twenty minutes. When the symphony stopped it was followed by a strict twenty minutes of silence, in which everyone in the room willingly froze themselves in their own private meditation space.

                            At the end of Yves' piece everyone in the audience was fully aware they had been in the presence of a genius at work, the piece was a huge success! Mr. Klein triumphed. It would be his greatest moment in art history, a total success.

                            The spectacle had unquestionable poetic beauty, and Mr. Kleins' last words that night were, 'THE MYTH IS IN ART'."


                            ~ The Monotone Symphony
                            Yes, the myth is in art. But, the reality is in politics.

                            You lose.

                            Mark
                            Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

                            "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

                            Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

                            Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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                            • Billy Jingo
                              I shave with Occam's Razor
                              • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                              • 18663

                              #15
                              Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
                              You lose.
                              Clearly.
                              “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

                              ~ Omar El Akkad
                              ​

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