‘Do No Harm Act' Would Forbid Religious Objection to ‘Any Healthcare’ Service

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  • Gingersnap
    Resident stylistic consultant
    • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
    • 24058

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    ‘Do No Harm Act' Would Forbid Religious Objection to ‘Any Healthcare’ Service

    ‘Do No Harm Act' Would Forbid Religious Objection to ‘Any Healthcare’ Service

    By Lauretta Brown | May 23, 2016 | 3:13 PM EDT

    (CNSNews.com) – Reps. Joe Kennedy III (D-Mass.) and Bobby Scott (D-Va.) introduced the Do No Harm Act Wednesday, which would amend the 1993 Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) to specify that religious exceptions should not apply to “protections against discrimination or the promotion of equal opportunity” and “access to, information about, referrals for, provision of, or coverage for, any health care item or service.”

    The legislation is intended to “clarify that no one can seek religious exemption from laws guaranteeing fundamental civil and legal rights.”

    The bill emphasizes that RFRA should not be interpreted to “authorize an exemption from generally applicable law that imposes the religious views, habits, or practices of one party upon another” or authorize “an exemption from generally applicable law that imposes meaningful harm, including dignitary harm, on a third party.”

    Kennedy claimed in announcing the bill that “the Religious Freedom Restoration Act has become a vehicle for those seeking to impose their beliefs on others or claim that the tenants of their faith justify discrimination.”

    “The Do No Harm Act will restore the balance between our right to religious freedom and our promise of equal protection under law,” he argued.

    RFRA currently says that "government shall not substantially burden a person's exercise of religion even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability" unless it is demonstrably “in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest” and is the “least restrictive means” of furthering that interest.

    A prominent use of RFRA which would not hold up under the proposed legislation is the Burwell v. Hobby Lobby Stores Inc. Supreme Court decision where the court ruled that it violates RFRA for the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS) to require religious business owners to provide contraceptive and abortifacient coverage for their employees.

    The Freedom From Religion Foundation pointed this out in their endorsement of the legislation.

    "The Do No Harm Act would limit which laws RFRA applies to. For instance, RFRA would no longer allow believers to be exempt from the Civil Rights Act, the Americans with Disabilities Act, the Violence Against Women Act, or laws that require coverage for any health care item. The bill, if enacted, could undo some of the damage caused by the Hobby Lobby decision," the group said in a statement.

    The bill has also received praise from Planned Parenthood, the National Abortion Federation, NARAL Pro-Choice America, and the Human Rights Campaign.

    "I am delighted to offer my strong support for the Do No Harm Act," Rep. David N. Cicilline (D-R.I.), co-chair of the Equality Caucus, said of the bill. "No religious tradition has as a central tenet or core belief that you should deny services to someone because of their gender identity or sexual orientation. The Do No Harm Act makes clear that religion can never be used as a legal justification for discrimination against LGBT individuals."

    “Religious freedom gives us the right to our beliefs, but not to harm others,” Louise Melling, deputy legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union, said. “The Do No Harm Act would place much needed limitations on RFRA, so that it can be used as a shield for religious exercise but no longer as a sword. With the Do No Harm Act, RFRA could no longer be invoked to justify discrimination, denial of health care, or other harms. We at the ACLU are proud to stand in support of this legislation.”

    Rev. Frank A. Pavone of Priests for Life told the Boston Herald that Kennedy’s bill in one way “is right.” He said, “It makes sense to say that I can exercise my religious freedom, but in doing so I cannot take away the fundamental rights of someone else.”

    But he added that the bill is the wrong way to address that issue, because courts can’t be the judge of individuals’ faith.

    “When it comes to the matter of religious freedom, we are going to the core of the human conscience, the human soul,” Pavone said. “How are you going to dispute that?”
    Which is the act/law that lets believers avoid harm from the government? Oh, that was all of them. Was being the operative term.

    CNS
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  • 80zephyr
    Senior Member
    • Saturday, January 3, 2015
    • 19074

    #2
    From your link:


    The legislation is intended to “clarify that no one can seek religious exemption from laws guaranteeing fundamental civil and legal rights.”

    The bill emphasizes that RFRA should not be interpreted to “authorize an exemption from generally applicable law that imposes the religious views, habits, or practices of one party upon another” or authorize “an exemption from generally applicable law that imposes meaningful harm, including dignitary harm, on a third party.”



    So, you can't deny fundamental civil and legal rights, but, you can deny freedom of religion as guaranteed in the Constitution?

    Freedom of religion IS A LEGAL RIGHT, and since one right doesn't trump another, I would say that both sides should be able to act according to their beliefs.

    Mark
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    • Celeste Chalfonte
      apostate
      • Saturday, October 5, 2013
      • 27897

      #3
      Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
      From your link:


      The legislation is intended to “clarify that no one can seek religious exemption from laws guaranteeing fundamental civil and legal rights.”

      The bill emphasizes that RFRA should not be interpreted to “authorize an exemption from generally applicable law that imposes the religious views, habits, or practices of one party upon another” or authorize “an exemption from generally applicable law that imposes meaningful harm, including dignitary harm, on a third party.”



      So, you can't deny fundamental civil and legal rights, but, you can deny freedom of religion as guaranteed in the Constitution?

      Freedom of religion IS A LEGAL RIGHT, and since one right doesn't trump another, I would say that both sides should be able to act according to their beliefs.

      Mark
      All Constitutional rights analysis is a balancing act. No right is absolute.

      The right to freedom of speech is subject to reasonable time, place and manner restrictions. You can't exercise your right to state your opinion in the street under my window at 2 a.m.

      The right to free exercise of religion is the right to beliefs, not necessarily to practices; if a law is one of general application with no purpose to oppress your religion, it's not per se unconstitutional. For example, you can't engage in human sacrifice or build a church on a lot zoned strictly for residential use.

      You have a right to keep and bear arms, but you can be prohibited from doing so, even in the most gun-friendly jurisdiction, if you've been convicted of a violent felony.

      And there are always times when one right "trumps" another. For example, some Muslims, in the completely free exercise of their religion, would kill anyone who makes fun of Mohammad. Your freedom of speech entitles you to make fun of Mohammad. Which freedom should the US government enforce under color of law?
      "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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      • 80zephyr
        Senior Member
        • Saturday, January 3, 2015
        • 19074

        #4
        Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
        All Constitutional rights analysis is a balancing act. No right is absolute.

        The right to freedom of speech is subject to reasonable time, place and manner restrictions. You can't exercise your right to state your opinion in the street under my window at 2 a.m.

        The right to free exercise of religion is the right to beliefs, not necessarily to practices; if a law is one of general application with no purpose to oppress your religion, it's not per se unconstitutional. For example, you can't engage in human sacrifice or build a church on a lot zoned strictly for residential use.

        You have a right to keep and bear arms, but you can be prohibited from doing so, even in the most gun-friendly jurisdiction, if you've been convicted of a violent felony.

        And there are always times when one right "trumps" another. For example, some Muslims, in the completely free exercise of their religion, would kill anyone who makes fun of Mohammad. Your freedom of speech entitles you to make fun of Mohammad. Which freedom should the US government enforce under color of law?
        My right to religious freedom should not stop at your "right" to being offended. If a gay person is offended because a baker won't bake a cake for him, why is his right protected while the baker(who feels offended for having to bake the cake) the one made to suffer?

        Mark
        Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

        "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

        Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

        Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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        • Norm dePlume
          Err foil
          • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
          • 14904

          #5
          Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
          My right to religious freedom should not stop at your "right" to being offended. If a gay person is offended because a baker won't bake a cake for him, why is his right protected while the baker(who feels offended for having to bake the cake) the one made to suffer?

          Mark
          If baking and selling cakes for profit is suffering, the baker should probably look into some other line of work.
          Enjoy.

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          • 80zephyr
            Senior Member
            • Saturday, January 3, 2015
            • 19074

            #6
            Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
            If baking and selling cakes for profit is suffering, the baker should probably look into some other line of work.
            If being denied a cake, maybe that person shouldn't get married.

            Hey Norm, using your "logic", any action is OK, if you are paid enough to do it, right?

            Mark
            Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

            "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

            Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

            Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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            • Celeste Chalfonte
              apostate
              • Saturday, October 5, 2013
              • 27897

              #7
              Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
              My right to religious freedom should not stop at your "right" to being offended. If a gay person is offended because a baker won't bake a cake for him, why is his right protected while the baker(who feels offended for having to bake the cake) the one made to suffer?

              Mark
              You don't like the way the balancing came out in that case. I get that. Had I been on the court, I might not have decided it that way; that court did. You live with it. It doesn't really affect you one way or another. Had I been the person seeking a wedding cake in that case, I wouldn't have filed a lawsuit. I would have taken out a halfpage ad in my local gay newspaper, informing people that the Such'n'such Bakery discriminates against gay people. Now what happens if they sue me for badmouthing them? Balancing.

              With many employers, health insurance is part of the compensation package. It has real value. By refusing to provide certain types of healthcare to women, the employer discriminates. They ought to have to provide the benefit or compensate the worker.
              "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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              • phillygirl
                Not superior, just kind
                • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                • 19840

                #8
                Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
                You don't like the way the balancing came out in that case. I get that. Had I been on the court, I might not have decided it that way; that court did. You live with it. It doesn't really affect you one way or another. Had I been the person seeking a wedding cake in that case, I wouldn't have filed a lawsuit. I would have taken out a halfpage ad in my local gay newspaper, informing people that the Such'n'such Bakery discriminates against gay people. Now what happens if they sue me for badmouthing them? Balancing.

                With many employers, health insurance is part of the compensation package. It has real value. By refusing to provide certain types of healthcare to women, the employer discriminates. They ought to have to provide the benefit or compensate the worker.
                Why? If men aren't getting coverage for abortions or birth control pills, and women aren't getting them, no discrimination. I've yet to see a company take a position that vasectomies are covered but tubal ligations are not.
                Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
                Robert Southwell, S.J.

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                • Celeste Chalfonte
                  apostate
                  • Saturday, October 5, 2013
                  • 27897

                  #9
                  Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
                  Why? If men aren't getting coverage for abortions or birth control pills, and women aren't getting them, no discrimination. I've yet to see a company take a position that vasectomies are covered but tubal ligations are not.
                  When vasectomies are prescribed for hormone imbalances and severe dysmenorrhea with resulting anemia (or an equivalent medical problem), we'll talk. That's the problem with this religion-based decision-making about medical care: it doesn't matter what the medication is prescribed for, if it can be used as birth control or an abortifacient, it's not covered.
                  "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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                  • phillygirl
                    Not superior, just kind
                    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                    • 19840

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
                    When vasectomies are prescribed for hormone imbalances and severe dysmenorrhea with resulting anemia (or an equivalent medical problem), we'll talk. That's the problem with this religion-based decision-making about medical care: it doesn't matter what the medication is prescribed for, if it can be used as birth control or an abortifacient, it's not covered.
                    What is stopping someone from going into the market and getting their own insurance? I know I always sound old when I say this, but I can remember when almost no insurance had prescription coverage. And when it did, it was an 80-20 reimbursement, not a simple co-pay. I didn't demand my employer supply it. I either paid for the prescription myself, or did without. Mostly did without because the prescribed meds cost me $100/month, when I was only making $1200/month and had $600/month in student loan payments.
                    Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
                    Robert Southwell, S.J.

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                    • Celeste Chalfonte
                      apostate
                      • Saturday, October 5, 2013
                      • 27897

                      #11
                      Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
                      What is stopping someone from going into the market and getting their own insurance? I know I always sound old when I say this, but I can remember when almost no insurance had prescription coverage. And when it did, it was an 80-20 reimbursement, not a simple co-pay. I didn't demand my employer supply it. I either paid for the prescription myself, or did without. Mostly did without because the prescribed meds cost me $100/month, when I was only making $1200/month and had $600/month in student loan payments.
                      Not the issue. If the plan had no Rx coverage for anything, that would be fine. It is my understanding (and I could be wrong, as I haven't researched it) that all ACA plans have Rx coverage. At least in California, medical privacy laws (and I would think under HIPAA as well) prohibits my employer receiving specific knowedge of my medical conditions and treatment except for certain circumstances not in issue here. What business is it of the employer what the health plan provides to each employee?
                      "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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                      • phillygirl
                        Not superior, just kind
                        • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                        • 19840

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
                        Not the issue. If the plan had no Rx coverage for anything, that would be fine. It is my understanding (and I could be wrong, as I haven't researched it) that all ACA plans have Rx coverage. At least in California, medical privacy laws (and I would think under HIPAA as well) prohibits my employer receiving specific knowedge of my medical conditions and treatment except for certain circumstances not in issue here. What business is it of the employer what the health plan provides to each employee?
                        I don't think the employer has any business knowing what meds anyone takes or what their condition is (except for those more thorny issues related to drug abuse and alcohol abuse, but that's a whole 'nuther issue).

                        If I believe that abortion is murder, or genital mutilation is wrong, I think I, as an employer, have the right to say that I don't agree with either being on my insurance policy that I provide as a company benefit. So if I provide the insurance, I have a say. If I don't provide the insurance, I have no say in it. I don't understand where the government gets to say that I have to provide certain medical benefits to employees. Saying that I'm okay with providing chemotherapy but not birth control pills should be okay.
                        Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
                        Robert Southwell, S.J.

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                        • Celeste Chalfonte
                          apostate
                          • Saturday, October 5, 2013
                          • 27897

                          #13
                          Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
                          I don't think the employer has any business knowing what meds anyone takes or what their condition is (except for those more thorny issues related to drug abuse and alcohol abuse, but that's a whole 'nuther issue).

                          If I believe that abortion is murder, or genital mutilation is wrong, I think I, as an employer, have the right to say that I don't agree with either being on my insurance policy that I provide as a company benefit. So if I provide the insurance, I have a say. If I don't provide the insurance, I have no say in it. I don't understand where the government gets to say that I have to provide certain medical benefits to employees. Saying that I'm okay with providing chemotherapy but not birth control pills should be okay.
                          As far as I know, health insurance doesn't usually cover abortions or any kind of cosmetic surgery, except if one calls breast reconstruction or reconstruction of any part after a trauma to be "cosmetic." Since there's no medical purpose to genital mutilation, I don't see an issue. But if all plans provide Rx, I do not think the employer has any right to pick and choose what types of Rx it provides. So maybe it requires me to take a generic instead of Anaprox or Maxxide, but it shouldn't get to decide it will pay for prenatal vitamins but not contraceptives.
                          "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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                          • phillygirl
                            Not superior, just kind
                            • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                            • 19840

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
                            As far as I know, health insurance doesn't usually cover abortions or any kind of cosmetic surgery, except if one calls breast reconstruction or reconstruction of any part after a trauma to be "cosmetic." Since there's no medical purpose to genital mutilation, I don't see an issue. But if all plans provide Rx, I do not think the employer has any right to pick and choose what types of Rx it provides. So maybe it requires me to take a generic instead of Anaprox or Maxxide, but it shouldn't get to decide it will pay for prenatal vitamins but not contraceptives.
                            I disagree. I don't see it as an all or nothing proposition. Most companies won't pay for fertility treatments. So I don't see why they have to pay for contraceptives.
                            Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
                            Robert Southwell, S.J.

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                            • Celeste Chalfonte
                              apostate
                              • Saturday, October 5, 2013
                              • 27897

                              #15
                              Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
                              I disagree. I don't see it as an all or nothing proposition. Most companies won't pay for fertility treatments. So I don't see why they have to pay for contraceptives.
                              Because fertility treatment is a whole separate class of medical treatment. Prescription drugs are a single class of treatment. Either the plan covers prescription drugs or it doesn't. Either it covers mental health treatment or it doesn't. If it does, it can't decide it will cover treatment for depression but not schizophrenia. Either it covers maternity care or it doesn't; it can't cover vaginal births but not Caesareans.
                              "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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