The DNC and Hilary, I've been saying it all along.

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  • Lanie
    Finally have my self respect.
    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
    • 4829

    #1

    The DNC and Hilary, I've been saying it all along.

    They had it their heads to crown her like some queen from the get go.

    20,000 freshly-leaked emails reveal resentful disdain toward Sanders, as party favored Clinton long before any votes were cast.



    Instead of treating Sanders with impartiality, the DNC exhibits resentful disdain toward him and the thousands of disenfranchised voters he could have brought into the party.

    “Wondering if there’s a good Bernie narrative for a story, which is that Bernie never ever had his act together, that his campaign was a mess,” wrote DNC Deputy Communications Director Mark Paustenbach to DNC Communications Director Luis Miranda, in response to backlash over DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz shutting off the Sanders campaign’s access to voter database files.

    Another chain reveals MSNBC’s Chuck Todd and DNC staff members discussing how to discredit MSNBC’s Mika Brzezinski’s call for Wasserman Schultz to resign.

    Most of the emails released come from seven prominent DNC staff members: senior adviser Andrew Wright, national finance director Jordon Kaplan, finance chief of staff Scott Comer, Northern California finance director Robert Stowe, finance director of data and strategic initiatives Daniel Parrish, finance director Allen Zachary and Miranda.

    The release provides further evidence the DNC broke its own charter violations by favoring Clinton as the Democratic presidential nominee, long before any votes were cast.

    Over the past several weeks, Guccifer 2.0 released several internal memos showing DNC staff strategizing to make Clinton the presidential nominee—as early as March 2015. In June 2016, Florida-based law firm, Beck & Lee, filed a class action lawsuit against Wasserman Schultz and the DNC based on the revelations from these leaked files.
    I want to make it clear that I don't support Bernie Sanders. I don't like how he praised Castro (for his education?) and never took it back. As far as I'm concerned, that's his David Duke. I also think his socialist ideas go too far. I don't want a situation like what's in Venezuela. With that said, this stuff above is wrong. I've always noticed how from nearly the get go, other Democrats dropped out pretty early.
  • Djharkavy
    Senior Member
    • Saturday, October 31, 2015
    • 4286

    #2
    I'll say the same thing I said about RNC complaints...

    Like the RNC and every other party leadership, the DNC gets to make their own rules.

    The public may get a voice in their candidate, or may not, depending on those rules.

    Where we come in is to vote for electors to represent their candidate, or to vote for electors representing someone else.

    What they do internally is their business.

    And no matter what the DNC preferred, the voters choose Hillary over Bernie. The numbers are fairly clear.



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    • scott
      Go-to Guru
      • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
      • 15799

      #3
      Originally posted by Djharkavy View Post
      I'll say the same thing I said about RNC complaints...

      Like the RNC and every other party leadership, the DNC gets to make their own rules.

      The public may get a voice in their candidate, or may not, depending on those rules.

      Where we come in is to vote for electors to represent their candidate, or to vote for electors representing someone else.

      What they do internally is their business.

      And no matter what the DNC preferred, the voters choose Hillary over Bernie. The numbers are fairly clear.



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      But it appears that the DNC stacked the deck to get that result. That doesn't bother you?
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      • Djharkavy
        Senior Member
        • Saturday, October 31, 2015
        • 4286

        #4
        Originally posted by scott View Post
        But it appears that the DNC stacked the deck to get that result. That doesn't bother you?
        Their game.
        Their rules.

        I'm not planning in voting for their candidate, in case I haven't mentioned it before.

        But no, it doesn't really bother me. They have tried to stack the deck before, as have other parties. The voters seem to have their own thoughts.

        Surely, the Republican Party didn't actually want Trump as their candidate, and certainly apparatchiks publicly came out against him. How is this any different?

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        • Michele
          Senior Member
          • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
          • 13964

          #5
          Originally posted by Lanie View Post
          They had it their heads to crown her like some queen from the get go.

          20,000 freshly-leaked emails reveal resentful disdain toward Sanders, as party favored Clinton long before any votes were cast.





          I want to make it clear that I don't support Bernie Sanders. I don't like how he praised Castro (for his education?) and never took it back. As far as I'm concerned, that's his David Duke. I also think his socialist ideas go too far. I don't want a situation like what's in Venezuela. With that said, this stuff above is wrong. I've always noticed how from nearly the get go, other Democrats dropped out pretty early.
          I listened to a real Bernie supporter and delegate this am and they are furious over this. She said the contempt of the DNC and how they worked against their candidate is something they're not letting go of. She said plan on having plenty of protests at the convention next week.

          Even if they didn't/don't support Sanders not every Hillary supporter will rationalize this away. And, as WikiLeaks said, this is only the first installment of HillaryLeaks.
          May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
          Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
          And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
          may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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          • Frostbit
            But only once
            • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
            • 22330

            #6
            Originally posted by Djharkavy View Post
            Their game.
            Their rules.

            I'm not planning in voting for their candidate, in case I haven't mentioned it before.

            But no, it doesn't really bother me. They have tried to stack the deck before, as have other parties. The voters seem to have their own thoughts.

            Surely, the Republican Party didn't actually want Trump as their candidate, and certainly apparatchiks publicly came out against him. How is this any different?

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            All mistakes are caused by the phone.
            That's my story and I'm sticking to it...
            The difference is Trump won and Bernie didn't.
            If it pays, it stays

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            • Lanie
              Finally have my self respect.
              • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
              • 4829

              #7
              The DNC and RNC seriously wonder why a big chunk of voters want their establishments overthrown? This is why. Yes, it's their party to do what they want with, but they shouldn't have the right to be the only two parties around and to take choices away from us. They shouldn't get to run this country. The people should get to run this country.

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              • Lanie
                Finally have my self respect.
                • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                • 4829

                #8
                Originally posted by Frostbit View Post
                The difference is Trump won and Bernie didn't.
                And threads like this make me want to vote Trump just to stick it to the establishments. I suppose Gary is another choice. If he can get more than five percent, that would be officially sticking it to them.

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                • gary m
                  Reprobate
                  • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                  • 8016

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Lanie View Post
                  And threads like this make me want to vote Trump just to stick it to the establishments. I suppose Gary is another choice. If he can get more than five percent, that would be officially sticking it to them.
                  I thank you for your support, but I am not running.
                  We are so fucked.

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                  • Frostbit
                    But only once
                    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                    • 22330

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Lanie View Post
                    And threads like this make me want to vote Trump just to stick it to the establishments. I suppose Gary is another choice. If he can get more than five percent, that would be officially sticking it to them.
                    If it pays, it stays

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                    • Djharkavy
                      Senior Member
                      • Saturday, October 31, 2015
                      • 4286

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Frostbit View Post
                      The difference is Trump won and Bernie didn't.
                      So the concern isn't party preferences and interference, its success?

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                      • Michele
                        Senior Member
                        • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                        • 13964

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Lanie View Post
                        The DNC and RNC seriously wonder why a big chunk of voters want their establishments overthrown? This is why. Yes, it's their party to do what they want with, but they shouldn't have the right to be the only two parties around and to take choices away from us. They shouldn't get to run this country. The people should get to run this country.
                        Let's keep the focus on where it should be; the DNC. The RNC has its own problems but this is about the Clinton's DNC playing dirty...it's what they do. As much as you want it to be both, it isn't. Yes, both parties have people who are po'd at their establishment. The DNC went the extra miles and then lied about it.

                        Oh yeah, you should vote for Johnson.
                        May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
                        Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
                        And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
                        may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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                        • Billy Jingo
                          I shave with Occam's Razor
                          • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                          • 18663

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Michele View Post
                          Let's keep the focus on where it should be; the DNC. The RNC has its own problems but this is about the Clinton's DNC playing dirty...it's what they do. As much as you want it to be both, it isn't. Yes, both parties have people who are po'd at their establishment. The DNC went the extra miles and then lied about it.

                          Oh yeah, you should vote for Johnson.
                          You both live in important states. It matters a great deal more than who DJ and I vote for (he in New York and me in Texas).

                          Colorado is the tipping point state and North Carolina can eliminate the danger to Clinton presented by losing Pennsylvania.
                          “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

                          ~ Omar El Akkad
                          ​

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                          • Michele
                            Senior Member
                            • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                            • 13964

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                            You both live in important states. It matters a great deal more than who DJ and I vote for (he in New York and me in Texas).

                            Colorado is the tipping point state and North Carolina can eliminate the danger to Clinton presented by losing Pennsylvania.
                            Yes, I know all that. But I'm not a calculating voter...I vote for who I think will make a good president. I don't understand people who say they aren't going to vote for someone and then defend them at every turn...not talking you. All that said, it doesn't take away from the fact that Clinton's DNC was hacked and shown to be the dirty players that they are. You can never be too far ahead when running for political office. And if you're running against a Clinton, times it by two...at a minimum.
                            May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
                            Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
                            And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
                            may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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                            • Billy Jingo
                              I shave with Occam's Razor
                              • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                              • 18663

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Michele View Post
                              Yes, I know all that. But I'm not a calculating voter...I vote for who I think will make a good president. I don't understand people who say they aren't going to vote for someone and then defend them at every turn...not talking you. All that said, it doesn't take away from the fact that Clinton's DNC was hacked and shown to be the dirty players that they are. You can never be too far ahead when running for political office. And if you're running against a Clinton, times it by two...at a minimum.
                              Clinton is a rough player, no doubt. Something that is ironic in this election since Trump presents as a hard guy but really, I think he is politically naïve. If he wins (something I find very unlikely), I will be surprised if he does anything other than what irrational anti-Obama conservatives accuse the president of doing; enjoy the trappings and perks of being the President of the United States.
                              “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

                              ~ Omar El Akkad
                              ​

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