Fetterman beats Oz

[Newman]

Capping a ghastly night of failed upsets which include the re-election of Whitmer and the election of Hochul in NY. Nearby Phillygirl wrote, https://community.notpolitical.info/...312#post365312

Pennsylvania has turned bright blue. It’s been there for a bit, but there’s almost no purple left. Our choices were crap though.

so in a dramatic affirmation of the infirm, Fetterman has prevailed, after a fashion.

[Celeste Chalfonte]

Capping a ghastly night of failed upsets which include the re-election of Whitmer and the election of Hochul in NY. Nearby Phillygirl wrote, https://community.notpolitical.info/...312#post365312


so in a dramatic affirmation of the infirm, Fetterman has prevailed, after a fashion.

Not to be a ghoul, but what's PA's process if he dies or becomes incapacitated before taking or while in office? It seems like a distinct possibility.

[phillygirl]

Not to be a ghoul, but what's PA's process if he dies or becomes incapacitated before taking or while in office? It seems like a distinct possibility.

Governor appoints. With the Governor being Shapiro, we're screwed. I don't think Fetterman will die while in office, his recovery seems to be on the upswing. I also doubt that they will declare him incapacitated. They voted him in in this condition and my limited knowledge of stroke recovery is that by all accounts he will improve over the next year or so, barring any further strokes. There's not much that can be done about his values, however, I think his extreme liberalism will remain.

[gary m]

Not that my own state of Michigan is much, if any, better, but Pennsylvania has what, about 13 million people and the 2 considered to be the best candidate is between a progressive stroke victim and a TV doctor that read too much of his own press.

And then in Georgia, there is the hit one too many ties in the head ex-football player versus the reparations racist reverend.

Hilary was right. What difference, at this point, does it make?

[80zephyr]

Not that my own state of Michigan is much, if any, better, but Pennsylvania has what, about 13 million people and the 2 considered to be the best candidate is between a progressive stroke victim and a TV doctor that read too much of his own press.

And then in Georgia, there is the hit one too many ties in the head ex-football player versus the reparations racist reverend.

Hilary was right. What difference, at this point, does it make?

The candidates in some of these contests were abysmal.

Mark

[phillygirl]

Not that my own state of Michigan is much, if any, better, but Pennsylvania has what, about 13 million people and the 2 considered to be the best candidate is between a progressive stroke victim and a TV doctor that read too much of his own press.

And then in Georgia, there is the hit one too many ties in the head ex-football player versus the reparations racist reverend.

Hilary was right. What difference, at this point, does it make?

In some ways I think the Pa GOP has given up. I saw it last year in our local judicial race. A county that has run red since the civil war has suddenly gotten slaughtered blue. So the only Republicans willing to run for judge were beyond abysmal. The Party backed them anyway. They were sacrifices. The party barely supported them financially and they were expendable. I think that attitude worked it's way up to the state wide Senate race and that's how we got Oz.

[Gramps]

Sorry that choices in Pa were a snake oil salesman and Lurch.
Lurch won because of the mail in early vote prior to the debate.
Why in hell does the Commonwealth allow this crap.

Now we have Maricopa Couinty in Ariz affirming the bullshit in the last presidential.

How in the name of hell is the Secretary of State, who is in charge of elections not required to recuse herself if she is running for Gov?

Shit Florida was counted and certified before Arizona could truck the ballots to 'working' tabulation machines...Here is an ;idea.. shit can the tabulators and hand count the votes. France does it.

[Celeste Chalfonte]

Reporting from Monterey County. In the race for county sheriff (nonpartisan), we had a squeaky-clean, popular, liberal local police chief (2A position unknown and didn't answer questions) running against a current deputy (pro-2A, committed to maintaining current county shall-issue policy) with some serious political baggage left over from the retiring sheriff's last campaign (allegations of unethical conduct). The latter was soundly trounced by the former. Unfortunate paucity of options. Glad I got my permit before the election.

Some really bad ballot propositions were defeated, but some were not, and the one good one I really cared about, to require a doctor or RN on-site at all dialysis clinics, went down in flames.

The statewide elections were predictably sad, leading with Greedy Gavin's re-election by a wide margin. Some opposition candidates did better than expected, but CA remains a 1-party state. I remain a registered Democrat, but I would like to see some political diversity. Could we at least have some middle-of-the-road Democrats????

[Gramps]

People remain in their tents.
I still remember the words of my racist, card carrying life long IBEW Jewish neighbor after his first vote for Obama.... "I held my nose and voted for the nigge*" Why John? his reply was... "I wouldn't vote for a Republican if there was a gun to my head"

[Adam]

Governor appoints. With the Governor being Shapiro, we're screwed. I don't think Fetterman will die while in office, his recovery seems to be on the upswing. I also doubt that they will declare him incapacitated. They voted him in in this condition and my limited knowledge of stroke recovery is that by all accounts he will improve over the next year or so, barring any further strokes. There's not much that can be done about his values, however, I think his extreme liberalism will remain.

Just out of curiosity, who would do that, supposing it were to happen? Never in the history of the United States has a Senator been recalled, and of course Amendment XXV applies only to the President.

I suppose, theoretically, assuming that there is such a provision in the PA constitution, that the state legislature could declare him non compos mentis, but then it reverts back to the governor for an appointment?

[phillygirl]

Sorry that choices in Pa were a snake oil salesman and Lurch.
Lurch won because of the mail in early vote prior to the debate.
Why in hell does the Commonwealth allow this crap.

Definitely contributed to it. But also, it was abortion. I spoke with someone who I consider to be intelligent, although she is a lifelong democrat. And Catholic. Her response was "women's rights are paramount to me". My response..."which women's rights?" "The right to abortion". I'm so tired of the automatic assumption that the only rights of women worth talking about are the rights involved terminating a pregnancy. Wake me up when they take away my right to vote and make me wear a hijab. (Sorry, Celeste).

[Celeste Chalfonte]

Definitely contributed to it. But also, it was abortion. I spoke with someone who I consider to be intelligent, although she is a lifelong democrat. And Catholic. Her response was "women's rights are paramount to me". My response..."which women's rights?" "The right to abortion". I'm so tired of the automatic assumption that the only rights of women worth talking about are the rights involved terminating a pregnancy. Wake me up when they take away my right to vote and make me wear a hijab. (Sorry, Celeste).

Sorry about what? You and I just draw the line in different places.

And even some reproductive rights can't be legislated because they involve attitudes in the medical community that have to be changed at the individual level. Why is it, for example, that a man can get snipped at any age (once he's a legal adult) just because he doesn't want to father any kids, but a woman has a helluva time finding a doctor who will tie her tubes before she has had a kid, and many doctors still insist on consulting the (presumptively male) spouse/partner? Can't fix that on a national scale.

Reproductive rights are important but only part of the picture. One-issue voters are stupid.

[phillygirl]

Sorry about what? You and I just draw the line in different places.

I try here to avoid the A issue. I consider you a friend and polite company, so I don't delve into that topic much here (or really, anywhere anymore. I've gotten old and tired).

And even some reproductive rights can't be legislated because they involve attitudes in the medical community that have to be changed at the individual level. Why is it, for example, that a man can get snipped at any age (once he's a legal adult) just because he doesn't want to father any kids, but a woman has a helluva time finding a doctor who will tie her tubes before she has had a kid, and many doctors still insist on consulting the (presumptively male) spouse/partner? Can't fix that on a national scale.

Reproductive rights are important but only part of the picture. One-issue voters are stupid.

You prove my point. Women's rights within the health and/or reproductive arena really should be about more than the right to abortion. It should be about the attitudes that you've mentioned. I firmly believe that most doctors, particularly male doctors but also female doctors, really ignore women's health issues when it comes to contraceptives, tubal ligation, hysterectomies, etc. You're spot on when it comes to patronizing women that have been firm and settled in their desire not to reproduce, yet are not permitted to have the tubal ligation when they don't have children yet.

One horror story of a colleague. She was on the birth control that you only menstruate 4 times a year, rather than monthly. She began hemorrhaging one day. Calls the doctor. Was told to stop taking that pill and they prescribed her the more traditional pill. No direction to come in for an exam. Nothing. Just here's more birth control. 2 months later she discovers that she's 5 months pregnant. I am certain that she was in all probability pregnant with 2 babies and miscarried one. But we'll never know because the doctor didn't think it important enough to exam her. Just eat some more birth control pills. There is little to no information given about the risks associated with long term use of contraceptive medications for women. They just don't care. Take a pill. Have an abortion. Implant an IUD. What is far more important is that we prevent pregnancy at all costs, with no concern about its effect on the woman's health, either short term or long term. That drives me insane! People assume I am anti-contraceptive because of my religious views. I am not. I am anti-contraceptive because of my concern for the overall health of the woman. Let's put as much research into a drug for men to suppress sperm production as we do for E.D. drugs. It seriously pisses me off.

[scott]

I try here to avoid the A issue. I consider you a friend and polite company, so I don't delve into that topic much here (or really, anywhere anymore. I've gotten old and tired).


You prove my point. Women's rights within the health and/or reproductive arena really should be about more than the right to abortion. It should be about the attitudes that you've mentioned. I firmly believe that most doctors, particularly male doctors but also female doctors, really ignore women's health issues when it comes to contraceptives, tubal ligation, hysterectomies, etc. You're spot on when it comes to patronizing women that have been firm and settled in their desire not to reproduce, yet are not permitted to have the tubal ligation when they don't have children yet.

One horror story of a colleague. She was on the birth control that you only menstruate 4 times a year, rather than monthly. She began hemorrhaging one day. Calls the doctor. Was told to stop taking that pill and they prescribed her the more traditional pill. No direction to come in for an exam. Nothing. Just here's more birth control. 2 months later she discovers that she's 5 months pregnant. I am certain that she was in all probability pregnant with 2 babies and miscarried one. But we'll never know because the doctor didn't think it important enough to exam her. Just eat some more birth control pills. There is little to no information given about the risks associated with long term use of contraceptive medications for women. They just don't care. Take a pill. Have an abortion. Implant an IUD. What is far more important is that we prevent pregnancy at all costs, with no concern about its effect on the woman's health, either short term or long term. That drives me insane! People assume I am anti-contraceptive because of my religious views. I am not. I am anti-contraceptive because of my concern for the overall health of the woman. Let's put as much research into a drug for men to suppress sperm production as we do for E.D. drugs. It seriously pisses me off.

Don't sugarcoat it Philly, tell us how you really feel! :P

I agree with most of what you said - except all the E.D. drugs were invented for other uses and then it was noticed 70 year olds were getting boners.

I also think we should put the time, money, and energy into extracting and incubating a live embryo instead of the BILLIONS put into advocacy for and against abortion. Pregnant and don't want the kid? Ok, someone else does and they'll pay for the procedure. Same result with fewer dead babies.

[phillygirl]

Don't sugarcoat it Philly, tell us how you really feel! :P

I agree with most of what you said - except all the E.D. drugs were invented for other uses and then it was noticed 70 year olds were getting boners.

I also think we should put the time, money, and energy into extracting and incubating a live embryo instead of the BILLIONS put into advocacy for and against abortion. Pregnant and don't want the kid? Ok, someone else does and they'll pay for the procedure. Same result with fewer dead babies.

Good points.