1984 by George Orwell is interesting. But it wasn't prophetic.

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  • Billy Jingo
    I shave with Occam's Razor
    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
    • 18663

    #1

    1984 by George Orwell is interesting. But it wasn't prophetic.

    “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

    ~ Omar El Akkad
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  • 80zephyr
    Senior Member
    • Saturday, January 3, 2015
    • 19074

    #2
    It wouldn't surprise me that, in a convoluted way, both men will turn out to be right.

    Mark
    Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

    "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

    Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

    Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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    • Billy Jingo
      I shave with Occam's Razor
      • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
      • 18663

      #3
      It reminds me of one of my favorite movies, Brazil. It is a Terry Gilliam joint. The best of his Big Three. Time Bandits, Brazil, and The Adventures of Baron Munchausen. All very good.

      Brazil is a great satire on bureaucracy and corporate culture (unlike you lot, I see them as the same). But it wasn't prophetic. For example, in the movie, the State would try to hide terrorism and pretend everything is fine. While we know just the opposite occurs and the State trumpets terrorism in an effort to stoke fear and loathing and keep us docile in the face of heinous actions taken in the fight against it.

      1984 was wrong. In the West, anyway. It may get little bits right like the whole "fake news" shtick that the Trump Administration uses to blunt truths they find uncomfortable that mirrors Newspeak. And his supporters gobble it up just like Parsons did. But on the whole, 1984 is a dated fear. Or at least, it is a fear whose full flower we have not seen.
      “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

      ~ Omar El Akkad
      ​

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      • 80zephyr
        Senior Member
        • Saturday, January 3, 2015
        • 19074

        #4
        Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
        It reminds me of one of my favorite movies, Brazil. It is a Terry Gilliam joint. The best of his Big Three. Time Bandits, Brazil, and The Adventures of Baron Munchausen. All very good.

        Brazil is a great satire on bureaucracy and corporate culture (unlike you lot, I see them as the same). But it wasn't prophetic. For example, in the movie, the State would try to hide terrorism and pretend everything is fine. While we know just the opposite occurs and the State trumpets terrorism in an effort to stoke fear and loathing and keep us docile in the face of heinous actions taken in the fight against it.

        1984 was wrong. In the West, anyway. It may get little bits right like the whole "fake news" shtick that the Trump Administration uses to blunt truths they find uncomfortable that mirrors Newspeak. And his supporters gobble it up just like Parsons did. But on the whole, 1984 is a dated fear. Or at least, it is a fear whose full flower we have not seen.
        Both of these tactics have been used. One by the Democrats, the other by the Republicans. Matter of fact, it seems most of Europe hides terrorism.

        Mark
        Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

        "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

        Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

        Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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        • Frostbit
          But only once
          • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
          • 22330

          #5
          Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
          Both of these tactics have been used. One by the Democrats, the other by the Republicans. Matter of fact, it seems most of Europe hides terrorism.

          Mark
          But not Holland, oops I mean the Netherlands. Life is great
          there, except the water and air quality. Interesting issues for a
          utopian government entity.
          If it pays, it stays

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          • scott
            Go-to Guru
            • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
            • 15799

            #6
            Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
            It reminds me of one of my favorite movies, Brazil. It is a Terry Gilliam joint. The best of his Big Three. Time Bandits, Brazil, and The Adventures of Baron Munchausen. All very good.

            Brazil is a great satire on bureaucracy and corporate culture (unlike you lot, I see them as the same). But it wasn't prophetic. For example, in the movie, the State would try to hide terrorism and pretend everything is fine. While we know just the opposite occurs and the State trumpets terrorism in an effort to stoke fear and loathing and keep us docile in the face of heinous actions taken in the fight against it.

            1984 was wrong. In the West, anyway. It may get little bits right like the whole "fake news" shtick that the Trump Administration uses to blunt truths they find uncomfortable that mirrors Newspeak. And his supporters gobble it up just like Parsons did. But on the whole, 1984 is a dated fear. Or at least, it is a fear whose full flower we have not seen.
            So funny. You wear philosophies like most people wear pajamas. It used to be Mencken, then it was Tocqueville, now it's Huxley.
            "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
            -John Locke

            "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
            -Newman

            "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
            -Newman

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            • 80zephyr
              Senior Member
              • Saturday, January 3, 2015
              • 19074

              #7
              The bigger question would be, which side is pushing us to these "utopia's"?

              I will admit to not really considering Huxley's view of the future...yet, because what I see in our society today is Orwell's vision. I could be wrong, or, it might change to resemble Huxley's viewpoint.

              But I do know that it is the left that is pushing us in the direction of Orwell's world. Is this really the type of world the left wants? Do they consider, like Orwell said "If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever".

              This is the world they want to leave to their children? And make no mistake, it is the left pushing this by demanding a bigger and bigger government.

              And the problem I have is, people like Billy and Norm are not stupid, and yet they persist is trying to set the world down this path. Why?

              Mark
              Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

              "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

              Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

              Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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              • Norm dePlume
                Err foil
                • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                • 14904

                #8
                Speaking of Orwellian:

                Words banned at CDC were also banned at other HHS agencies: report

                Multiple agencies in the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) have reportedly been told by the Trump administration that they cannot use certain phrases in official documents.

                Officials from two HHS agencies, who asked that their names and agencies remain anonymous, told The Washington Post that they had been given a list of "forbidden" words similar to the one given to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

                A second HHS agency was told not to use the phrases “entitlement,” “diversity” and “vulnerable," in documents. It was also told to use "ObamaCare" as opposed to the "Affordable Care Act" and to refer to "marketplaces," where people purchase health insurance, as "exchanges."

                The Post's new report builds on its Friday report that the CDC had been told it could no longer use the phrases "evidence-based” and “science-based" in documents being prepared for the 2019 budget.

                The list of “forbidden” words and phrases given to policy analysts at the CDC also included “vulnerable,” “entitlement,” “diversity,” “transgender” and “fetus.”
                Enjoy.

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                • Newman
                  Behind the Iron Curtain
                  • Friday, November 1, 2013
                  • 25814

                  #9
                  I'd like to ban "new normal," "smell test," and the expressions "at the end of the day" and "if it saves one life...."

                  Just a start, of course.
                  • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
                  • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
                  • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
                  • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
                  • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
                  • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
                  • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
                  • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
                  • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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