It Might Be Time To Cut My Right-Wing, Trump-Loving In-Laws Out Of My Kids’ Lives

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  • Gingersnap
    Resident stylistic consultant
    • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
    • 24058

    #1

    It Might Be Time To Cut My Right-Wing, Trump-Loving In-Laws Out Of My Kids’ Lives

    It Might Be Time To Cut My Right-Wing, Trump-Loving In-Laws Out Of My Kids’ Lives

    Hannah Selinger
    Guest Writer
    Aug 7, 2019

    “I don’t understand why anyone lives in Los Angeles,” my mother-in-law said to my husband over the phone a few months ago. “It’s full of immigrants.”

    This offensive “observation” was not a stand-alone comment. It was only the latest in a series of bigoted sound bites from my in-laws. Both in their 70s, they live on Florida’s Gulf Coast in a predominantly white, older community saturated by conservative talking points. They see themselves as tolerant, life-loving Catholics. But their tolerance extends only to people they know and understand ― and those people are white, straight, “American” people.

    Actually, it isn’t just racism that muddies the water in my relationship with my in-laws. It’s sexism and homophobia, too. Sometimes, it’s even veiled anti-Semitism. (Note to non-Jews everywhere: Telling a Jewish person how much you love Jewish people is, on its face, a message of marginalization.) My father-in-law once had to leave the room when two men kissed on TV. “Disgusting,” he whispered under his breath, within earshot of my son.

    My in-laws have always been conservative. They have always been Republican. But, before 2016, they were Catholics devoted, specifically, to the “problem” of abortion. That was the issue they cared about, and it was the issue that ignited their ballot box passion. What my husband and I have witnessed, however, has been an ideological shift, from a relationship with religion to blind idolatry.

    In the past two years, fueled by a president who “tells it like it is,” my in-laws have said a spate of problematic, objectionable and, often, straight-up hateful things. My sweet mother-in-law, who cries at the very notion of a dog’s death, wanted to know why Senate hopeful Roy Moore’s teenaged accusers didn’t come forth with their claims sooner, thereby dismissing their claims. When my 1-year-old threw a tantrum and I accused him of being a “drama queen,” she gently corrected me: “It’s drama king.”

    My father-in-law clucked when, in a scene in the movie “Moonlight,” an impoverished Black drug dealer pulled up in a decked-out low-rider. It was an expensive car, and my father-in-law wanted us to know that people of that sort were always spending above their means. “That’s just what they do,” he said, shaking his head. “That’s just what they do.” He meant Black people ― all of them.

    In the past two years, fueled by a president who ‘tells it like it is,’ my in-laws have said a spate of problematic, objectionable and, often, straight-up hateful things.
    For a while, my husband and I tried to rationalize — if not excuse — my in-laws’ beliefs. They’re older, we told ourselves. They don’t know that the world has changed. But eventually it became impossible to keep exonerating them. For the most part, my political contact with them was passive-aggressive ― heavy on the aggressive. I directed Facebook posts at “any and all Trump supporters, including family members,” but I didn’t single them out specifically.

    That was before.

    Then, shortly after Heather Heyer was run down and murdered by driver spurred on by fellow white supremacists in Charlottesville, Virginia, and after the president said that there were “good people on both sides,” I sent my mother-in-law a text. As a Jewish woman with half-Jewish children, I wanted her to know that her support of a president who says incendiary, race-baiting things affects people like me. It affects my kids.

    In a winding, wending message, I told her how Jews have been targeted since the dawn of time, and how the particular brand of hate espoused by white supremacists, and, tangentially, the president, was pretty familiar to me; I had experienced it my entire life. It was likely her grandkids would, too. I was hopeful that a human connection — that the world through the eyes of a real, live liberal (and her daughter-in-law, no less) and not just a Fox News caricature — could convince her that words and actions matter. I was hopeful that she might show courage in the face of an obvious wrong.

    “Thank you for your note,” she wrote back. We never spoke of it again.

    This was probably when I started to believe that my in-laws would never change. Once it occurred to me that this problem was going to haunt me forever, I started brainstorming solutions in hopes of not having to cut them out of our lives. Except, in the case of this deep kind of intolerance, there is no solution. I believe it has to be vanquished, entirely. I can’t just pretend they aren’t who they are. They have become completely indoctrinated, and, what’s worse, they don’t really seem to care. They know, fully, that there are consequences to all of this. But still they pursue a course of belief that seems at odds with morality.

    And that means that I can’t just go on pretending that we’re a normal family. It’s not like I can just leave them with the kids for the night and hope they don’t say something awful about a marginalized group of people while I’m out enjoying a martini with my husband. That safety has been stolen from both of us.
    Much, much more. It appears that her in-laws have respected her boundaries (no "right-wing" cable news on the TV!) and treated her personal screeds on FB politely. They hold views she doesn't understand and reflexively hates although she doesn't give any examples of them inducting her kids into the Hitler Youth or painting swastikas on her garage door.

    It's one of the most passive-aggressive things I've ever read. Interesting.

    HuffPo
    "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."
  • 80zephyr
    Senior Member
    • Saturday, January 3, 2015
    • 19074

    #2
    The irony is, is that her intolerance is much worse than her in-laws will ever be.

    Mark
    Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

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    • Gingersnap
      Resident stylistic consultant
      • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
      • 24058

      #3
      We really need about three solid years in high school teaching what "tolerance" actually means and what it looks like in action.
      "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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      • gary m
        Reprobate
        • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
        • 8016

        #4
        Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
        Much, much more. It appears that her in-laws have respected her boundaries (no "right-wing" cable news on the TV!) and treated her personal screeds on FB politely. They hold views she doesn't understand and reflexively hates although she doesn't give any examples of them inducting her kids into the Hitler Youth or painting swastikas on her garage door.

        It's one of the most passive-aggressive things I've ever read. Interesting.

        HuffPo
        If only it were that easy.
        Usually it takes "loaning" them money to never see or hear from them again.
        We are so fucked.

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        • phillygirl
          Not superior, just kind
          • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
          • 19840

          #5
          When my 1-year-old threw a tantrum and I accused him of being a “drama queen,” she gently corrected me: “It’s drama king.”
          Her mil is right here, of course. I'm surprised this liberal ninny doesn't see her own sexism in giving a tantrum by a 1 year old a negative feminine connotation. I hope her dear readers corrected her on this notion of gender discrimination that she is infecting her son with already.
          Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
          Robert Southwell, S.J.

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          • Michele
            Senior Member
            • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
            • 13964

            #6
            For the most part, my political contact with them was passive-aggressive ― heavy on the aggressive. I directed Facebook posts at “any and all Trump supporters, including family members,” but I didn’t single them out specifically.
            Good grief, she's a FB Political Warrior. What a surprise.
            May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
            Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
            And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
            may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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            • scott
              Go-to Guru
              • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
              • 15799

              #7
              Actually, it isn’t just racism that muddies the water in my relationship with my in-laws. It’s sexism and homophobia, too. Sometimes, it’s even veiled anti-Semitism. (Note to non-Jews everywhere: Telling a Jewish person how much you love Jewish people is, on its face, a message of marginalization.) My father-in-law once had to leave the room when two men kissed on TV. “Disgusting,” he whispered under his breath, within earshot of my son.
              1. Her in-laws are sick of paying her bills.

              2. She'll actually never cut them out because they pay her bills.

              3. She is ranting and not serious - or she is mentally deficient.

              4. She is looking for an excuse to leave her husband. She's already fucking someone else.
              "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
              -John Locke

              "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
              -Newman

              "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
              -Newman

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              • Michele
                Senior Member
                • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                • 13964

                #8
                Holy crap! I just read her whole article. I don't think the bolded part is her husband talking...it's her.

                I also don’t want there to be any ambiguity in my home when it comes to who we are as people and what we will — and will not — accept. And I don’t want my husband to suffer, either. He is more hesitant to cut his parents off than I am, even though we share the same set of values, because, at the end of the day, these are his parents, not mine. At night, when it is only the two of us, he tells me that what he feels most prominently is disappointment in his mother. He feels like she allowed herself to be hijacked by ideas that were never really hers. He feels like she didn’t stand up for herself. He is reluctant to let go — completely, that is. But he seems less sad about it all the time. And, on some level, he has already extinguished the true flame. Each time she revives an ember of bigotry, it reminds him of what we cannot continue to tolerate. That’s a mission we share.
                She wanted her husband to cut off his parents. He wasn't going fast enough for her so she took matters into her own hands by writing this self-righteous screed and having it published nationally. She called his parents every disgusting label she could think of to make sure the cut was deep enough to be devasting and hoping it would be the point of no return. Talk about evil.
                May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
                Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
                And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
                may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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                • Novaheart
                  Guardian of civilization
                  • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                  • 6070

                  #9
                  I have never seen a national hissy fit like we have seen for the last three years. One might predict that the Republicans will do the same thing just as payback should a Democrat/Socialist win the presidency in 2020. I think we are all fairly certain that won't happen. Howbeit, I don't think that the Left knows what kind of fire they are playing with. They are so certain of their intellectual superiority and righteousness that they wouldn't see tit for tat. They would see "White Supremacists" and "white-lash".

                  Rush Limbaugh pointed out the other day that the orders have gone out. The reason you are hearing "white supremacy" as their favorite term is because they wore "racist" out.

                  BTW, my sister Honoria simply refuses to learn that I know what I am talking about, I have facts, and her motions are a poor substitute for argument. She occasionally posts some opinion (hers or someone else's) and I suspect she's trying to call me out. I don't bite. I learned that from Celeste.

                  BTW- fun fact: my dear cousin brother and I were talking a couple of weeks ago and just out of curiosity I asked him if he knew that Trayvon Martin was beating Zimmerman's head on the concrete when Zimmerman shot Martin. He did not. This is a man who has an MBA, who is almost as smart as he thinks he is, and who reads the Washington Post religiously. What the hell is wrong with these people?
                  Last edited by Novaheart; Thursday, August 8, 2019, 10:25 PM.
                  The year's at the spring
                  And day's at the morn;
                  Morning's at seven;
                  The hill-side's dew-pearled;
                  The lark's on the wing;
                  The snail's on the thorn:
                  God's in his heaven—
                  All's right with the world!

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                  • Gingersnap
                    Resident stylistic consultant
                    • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                    • 24058

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Michele View Post
                    Holy crap! I just read her whole article. I don't think the bolded part is her husband talking...it's her.



                    She wanted her husband to cut off his parents. He wasn't going fast enough for her so she took matters into her own hands by writing this self-righteous screed and having it published nationally. She called his parents every disgusting label she could think of to make sure the cut was deep enough to be devasting and hoping it would be the point of no return. Talk about evil.
                    This is evil and it's also about as passive-aggressive as it gets.

                    She drones on and on about how she hasn't decided to jettison her kids' grandparents and then runs all her gin-soaked musings in an essay on the Internet. Gee, bet those knuckle-dragging hicks will never see this!

                    She's put her in-laws in a no-win situation here. If they pretend to ignore it and carry on being polite and enjoying their grand kids, they confirm just how stupid they must be to this witch. If they ask her to explain why she dragged their private lives online, this will be the trigger for dumping them.

                    Until their son dumps this woman (assuming he isn't too whipped to leave eventually), about the best they can do is to compile letters, scrapbooks, and videos for the children and specify that the materials will be transferred after their deaths by their legal representative or by their executor (if that person is not also the son) when the children reach 30 years of age. It will take them that long to get much out of their therapy sessions.

                    You do not have to like your relatives or admire them but alienating them from others over something as witless as these complaints is just wrong.
                    "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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                    • 80zephyr
                      Senior Member
                      • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                      • 19074

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Novaheart View Post
                      I have never seen a national hissy fit like we have seen for the last three years. One might predict that the Republicans will do the same thing just as payback should a Democrat/Socialist win the presidency in 2020. I think we are all fairly certain that won't happen. Howbeit, I don't think that the Left knows what kind of fire they are playing with. They are so certain of their intellectual superiority and righteousness that they wouldn't see tit for tat. They would see "White Supremacists" and "white-lash".

                      Rush Limbaugh pointed out the other day that the orders have gone out. The reason you are hearing "white supremacy" as their favorite term is because they wore "racist" out.

                      BTW, my sister Honoria simply refuses to learn that I know what I am talking about, I have facts, and her motions are a poor substitute for argument. She occasionally posts some opinion (hers or someone else's) and I suspect she's trying to call me out. I don't bite. I learned that from Celeste.

                      BTW- fun fact: my dear cousin brother and I were talking a couple of weeks ago and just out of curiosity I asked him if he knew that Trayvon Martin was beating Zimmerman's head on the concrete when Zimmerman shot Martin. He did not. This is a man who has an MBA, who is almost as smart as he thinks he is, and who reads the Washington Post religiously. What the hell is wrong with these people?
                      We sure as hell better treat a Democratic president the same way. I want talk of impeachment before he/she serves even one day in office.

                      No more Mr. Nice Guy.

                      Mark
                      Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

                      "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

                      Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

                      Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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                      • Gingersnap
                        Resident stylistic consultant
                        • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                        • 24058

                        #12
                        Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
                        We sure as hell better treat a Democratic president the same way. I want talk of impeachment before he/she serves even one day in office.

                        No more Mr. Nice Guy.

                        Mark
                        I don't how to feel about this.

                        A sane, rational person would never go in this direction. I disliked Obama and his policies intensely and I still believe that he portrayed himself as a foreign student in undergrad to benefit from his exotic connections but what he actually said and did was damning enough - no need to speculate. No need to spit on his employees or deny them dinner. No need to portray all his supporters as race-baiters and carpet-baggers. No need to refuse to photograph his wife in fashion magazines or do the usual softball interviews with her. No need for mainstream media figures to indulge in numerology to "prove" his support of communism.

                        No need.

                        But things have just gone crazy. Half the country is demonized as racist, child-abusing, potential school shooters hell bent on genocide just for the hell of it. Students are denied degrees simply because their graduate advisor found out that they are traditional Christians. People are fired or forced to resign simply because they lawfully donated to a cause. Lesbians are attacked online because they don't want to have sex with men even if the men wear dresses. Students and employees are separated by race and if you are the "wrong" race, you have participate in what amounts to a "struggle session" where you confess and repent of all your social sins and you have to do it over and over. There is no redemption.

                        Part of me would not want to stoop to this level but part of me says, "Screw it, let's burn it down". I don't know the way out of this and I don't know what ordinary people will do if the Democrats destroy healthcare and levy ruinous taxes on the working and middle classes while changing our rights into privileges. I just don't know.
                        "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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                        • 80zephyr
                          Senior Member
                          • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                          • 19074

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
                          I don't how to feel about this.

                          A sane, rational person would never go in this direction. I disliked Obama and his policies intensely and I still believe that he portrayed himself as a foreign student in undergrad to benefit from his exotic connections but what he actually said and did was damning enough - no need to speculate. No need to spit on his employees or deny them dinner. No need to portray all his supporters as race-baiters and carpet-baggers. No need to refuse to photograph his wife in fashion magazines or do the usual softball interviews with her. No need for mainstream media figures to indulge in numerology to "prove" his support of communism.

                          No need.

                          But things have just gone crazy. Half the country is demonized as racist, child-abusing, potential school shooters hell bent on genocide just for the hell of it. Students are denied degrees simply because their graduate advisor found out that they are traditional Christians. People are fired or forced to resign simply because they lawfully donated to a cause. Lesbians are attacked online because they don't want to have sex with men even if the men wear dresses. Students and employees are separated by race and if you are the "wrong" race, you have participate in what amounts to a "struggle session" where you confess and repent of all your social sins and you have to do it over and over. There is no redemption.

                          Part of me would not want to stoop to this level but part of me says, "Screw it, let's burn it down". I don't know the way out of this and I don't know what ordinary people will do if the Democrats destroy healthcare and levy ruinous taxes on the working and middle classes while changing our rights into privileges. I just don't know.
                          For me personally, I've had enough. The left has talked about tolerance, and was given plenty of it...for decades. And when they figured they were finally the majority, they tried to crush us.

                          Fuck em. They started this shit.

                          Mark
                          Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

                          "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

                          Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

                          Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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