Forget What We Know Now: We Knew Then the Iraq War Was a Joke

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  • Billy Jingo
    I shave with Occam's Razor
    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
    • 18663

    #1

    Forget What We Know Now: We Knew Then the Iraq War Was a Joke

    Forget What We Know Now: We Knew Then the Iraq War Was a Joke

    On the media's hypocritical hounding of Jeb Bush



    So presidential hopeful Jeb Bush is taking a pounding for face-planting a question about his brother's invasion of Iraq. Apparently, our national media priests want accountability from leaders on this issue.

    One of the first "gotcha" moments of the 2016 presidential race came about as follows: Reporters following Jeb Bush on a pre-announcement campaign tour smartly decided to badger him about his position on the Iraq invasion. "Knowing what he knows now," they asked, would he have done the same thing as his brother?

    Jeb's answer was characteristically Bushian: yes, no, and maybe. Bush III somehow hadn't prepared for the one question he was most absolutely certain to face the moment he decided take a step in the direction of the White House.

    It was a little bit like invading a country and having no plan at all for what you do after you seize the capital. In other words, the kind of thing that should disqualify a person not just from the presidency, but maybe also from having a driver's license. George W. specialized in these jaw-dropping oversights, and it seems his brother might have a similar talent.

    Over the course of four or five very painful days Jeb pushed his Iraq position all over the board. First he said yes, he would have done the same thing as his brother (and so would have Hillary Clinton, he pointed out). Then he said he misunderstood the question. Then he said that even answering the question would dishonor the troops (which I thought was an impressively clever and Rove-ian response!).

    Head by now turned all the way around, in the fashion of nature's magnificent owl or Linda Blair, he finally told Fox's Megyn Kelly, "Knowing what we know now. . .I would not have engaged. I would not have gone into Iraq."
    “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

    ~ Omar El Akkad
    ​
  • Billy Jingo
    I shave with Occam's Razor
    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
    • 18663

    #2
    I can overlook Fox for their war drumming since propaganda is their reason for existing so their loathsomeness is baked in.

    Others ... not so much. They were just pussies.
    “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

    ~ Omar El Akkad
    ​

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    • Adam
      The way to a woman's heart is through her taste buds.
      • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
      • 16885

      #3
      That's OK, Rolling Stone. We knew back then that your outright lies about campus rape were a joke, too.
      It's been ten years since that lonely day I left you
      In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
      Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
      Pray for me, momma, I'm a gypsy now

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      • gary m
        Reprobate
        • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
        • 8016

        #4
        From the article...

        I don't believe that most of the otherwise smart people who supported the war back then, from Hillary Clinton to the editorial boards of our major newspapers, bought any of this. What did happen is that a lot of people got caught up in the politics of the situation and didn't have the backbone to opt out. They didn't want to look weak, un-American, or "against the troops," at least not in public, so they sat out the debate and got behind the president
        So were Hillary, Kerry and the rest of the "for it before the were against it" crowd of Democrats in the House and Senate at the time (111 total)...
        Just plain stupid?
        Just plain gutless?
        Just plain "my country right or wrong"?
        We are so fucked.

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        • Michele
          Senior Member
          • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
          • 13964

          #5
          Originally posted by gary m View Post
          From the article...



          So were Hillary, Kerry and the rest of the "for it before the were against it" crowd of Democrats in the House and Senate at the time (111 total)...
          Just plain stupid?
          Just plain gutless?
          Just plain "my country right or wrong"?
          The article could be saying that they lied about being for the war because they thought it might not be a good thing for their reelection...kind of like Obama lying about gay marriage.

          Or, the opinions of the "otherwise smart people" about going to war in Iraq could've been evolving.
          May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
          Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
          And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
          may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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          • Billy Jingo
            I shave with Occam's Razor
            • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
            • 18663

            #6
            The article is a critique of The Media. And a pretty good one.
            “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

            ~ Omar El Akkad
            ​

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            • Adam
              The way to a woman's heart is through her taste buds.
              • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
              • 16885

              #7
              Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
              The article is a critique of The Media. And a pretty good one.
              No, it was Matt Taibbi being the typical, lying, arrogant dickwagon that he usually is, trying to claim that he had some sort of special smarts that, in fact, he didn't then and doesn't now.
              It's been ten years since that lonely day I left you
              In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
              Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
              Pray for me, momma, I'm a gypsy now

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              • Newman
                Behind the Iron Curtain
                • Friday, November 1, 2013
                • 25814

                #8
                Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                The article is a critique of The Media. And a pretty good one.
                A critique of the media by the Rolling Stone?
                • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
                • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
                • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
                • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
                • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
                • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
                • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
                • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
                • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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                • Adam
                  The way to a woman's heart is through her taste buds.
                  • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                  • 16885

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Newman View Post
                  A critique of the media by the Rolling Stone?
                  Only slightly less credible than the Weekly World News.
                  It's been ten years since that lonely day I left you
                  In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
                  Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
                  Pray for me, momma, I'm a gypsy now

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                  • gary m
                    Reprobate
                    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                    • 8016

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Newman View Post
                    A critique of the media by the Rolling Stone?
                    Yeah, kinda like Charles Manson rating Son of Sam, ain't it?
                    We are so fucked.

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                    • scott
                      Go-to Guru
                      • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                      • 15799

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                      The article is a critique of The Media. And a pretty good one.
                      No, it's tut-tutting the actual journalists by someone who writes for a music magazine. He has crowned himself and is wondering why nobody cares he's so smart that he can't get a job working for a publication people actually read - other than stoners and left wing idiots who also read Playboy for the articles on politics.
                      "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
                      -John Locke

                      "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
                      -Newman

                      "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
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                      • scott
                        Go-to Guru
                        • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                        • 15799

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Adam View Post
                        Only slightly less credible than the Weekly World News.
                        But more credible than Raw Story, so there's that.
                        "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
                        -John Locke

                        "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
                        -Newman

                        "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
                        -Newman

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