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  • Adam
    The way to a woman's heart is through her taste buds.
    • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
    • 16885

    #1

    As usual, Mike Rowe absolutely nails it right to the wall

    Always spot-on.





    What's on YOUR Wall?

    'Hello Mr. Rowe! What's your take on MSNBC host Melissa Harris-Perry being offended by the phrase "hard worker"? How can such a label possibly be offensive to anyone?”

    Lenny Kostecki

    My take Lenny, for what it's worth, is that there is no longer a limit to what people can be offended by.

    Melissa Harris-Perry appears to be put off by the suggestion that “hard work” is too often linked with success. She doesn’t like the fact that many hard-working individuals have not enjoyed the same measure of success as Speaker Ryan, who was being acknowledged on her show for his excellent work ethic. Here is her response, in her own words...

    HARRIS-PERRY:HARRIS-PERRY: “I want us to be super careful when we use the language “hard worker.” I actually keep an image of folks working in cotton fields on my office wall, because it is a reminder about what hard work really looks like. But in the context of relative privilege, when you talk about work-life balance, the moms who don’t have health care aren’t called hard workers. We call them failures. We call them people who are sucking off the system.”

    To me, it sounds as though Melissa is displaying images of slavery or drudgery in her office to remind herself of what hard work really and truly looks like. That’s a bit like hanging images of rape and bondage to better illustrate the true nature of human sexuality. Whatever her logic might be, it’s difficult to respond without first pointing out a few things that most people will find screamingly obvious. So let’s do that.

    First of all, slavery is not “hard work;” it’s forced labor. There’s a big difference. Likewise, slaves are not workers; they are by definition, property. They have no freedom, no hope, and no rights. Yes, they work hard, obviously. But there can be no “work ethic” among slaves, because the slave has no choice in the matter.

    Workers on the other hand, have free will. They are free to work as hard as they wish. Or not. The choice is theirs. And their decision to work hard, or not, is not a function of compliance or coercion; it’s a reflection of character and ambition.

    This business of conflating hard work with forced labor not only minimizes the importance of a decent work ethic, it diminishes the unspeakable horror of slavery. Unfortunately, people do this all the time. We routinely describe bosses as “slave-drivers,” and paychecks as “slave’s wages.” Melissa though, has come at it from the other side. She’s suggesting that because certain “hard workers” are not as prosperous as other “hard workers,” - like the people on her office wall - we should all be “super-careful” about overly-praising hard work.

    I suspect this is because Melissa believes - as do many others - that success today is mostly a function of what she calls, “relative privilege.” This is fancy talk for the simple fact that life is unfair, and some people are born with more advantages than others. It's also a fine way to prepare the unsuspecting viewer for the extraordinary suggestion that slavery is proof-positive that hard work doesn’t pay off.

    Obviously, I don’t see the world the same way as Melissa, but we do have something in common. Like her, I keep a picture on my office wall.

    That’s me, squatting next to the most disappointing toilet I’ve ever encountered, preparing to clean it out with a garden trowel. I keep it there to remind me of what happens when you need a plumber but can’t find one.

    It's also a nice reminder that a good plumber these days has a hell of a lot more job security than the average news anchor. (With respect.)

    Mike
    It's been ten years since that lonely day I left you
    In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
    Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
    Pray for me, momma, I'm a gypsy now
  • Billy Jingo
    I shave with Occam's Razor
    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
    • 18663

    #2
    I like the guy.

    But he is starting to sound like a douchebag.
    “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

    ~ Omar El Akkad
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    • Adam
      The way to a woman's heart is through her taste buds.
      • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
      • 16885

      #3
      Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
      I like the guy.

      But he is starting to sound like a douchebag.
      In what way?
      It's been ten years since that lonely day I left you
      In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
      Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
      Pray for me, momma, I'm a gypsy now

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      • Billy Jingo
        I shave with Occam's Razor
        • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
        • 18663

        #4
        Originally posted by Adam View Post
        In what way?
        Well, first of all, she did not mention slavery; at least not in the quote he produced. She may have at some point, I don't know. Slaves aren't the only cotton pickers in history. Second, he seems to be arguing with what I thought was his basic thesis on work - that it should be recognized and rewarded and a fat wallet does not mean you necessarily work hard and we should acknowledge those who do difficult tasks. Like picking cotton.

        There's no insight at all like he usually has and it even borders on incoherent in the context of his other essays (posts, rants, whatever they are called now).

        He sounds like he is whinging on about the damn media librul in this one just like every other Redstate Internet douche.
        “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

        ~ Omar El Akkad
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        • Adam
          The way to a woman's heart is through her taste buds.
          • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
          • 16885

          #5
          Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
          Well, first of all, she did not mention slavery; at least not in the quote he produced. She may have at some point, I don't know. Slaves aren't the only cotton pickers in history.
          Oh puhleeze! Do you seriously think that Melissa Harris-Perry, who has made a career out of pissing and moaning about how oppressed she is because she's a Black woman, referred to a picture of people working in cotton fields because she was decrying Eli Whitney and the growth of mechanization? Good grief.

          Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
          Second, he seems to be arguing with what I thought was his basic thesis on work - that it should be recognized and rewarded and a fat wallet does not mean you necessarily work hard and we should acknowledge those who do difficult tasks. Like picking cotton.
          He was pointing out that tampon-grrrl made an utterly ridiculous comparison between people who work hard for a living and slavery. It's not like he somehow disguised what he was saying or anything like that.

          Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
          There's no insight at all like he usually has and it even borders on incoherent in the context of his other essays (posts, rants, whatever they are called now).

          He sounds like he is whinging on about the damn media librul in this one just like every other Redstate Internet douche.
          Did he even once mention media, liberal or otherwise? No, he did not.


          Your complaint is absurd. Sorry.
          It's been ten years since that lonely day I left you
          In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
          Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
          Pray for me, momma, I'm a gypsy now

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          • Billy Jingo
            I shave with Occam's Razor
            • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
            • 18663

            #6
            Yea. Like that.
            “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

            ~ Omar El Akkad
            ​

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            • Michele
              Senior Member
              • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
              • 13964

              #7
              Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
              Well, first of all, she did not mention slavery; at least not in the quote he produced. She may have at some point, I don't know. Slaves aren't the only cotton pickers in history. Second, he seems to be arguing with what I thought was his basic thesis on work - that it should be recognized and rewarded and a fat wallet does not mean you necessarily work hard and we should acknowledge those who do difficult tasks. Like picking cotton.

              There's no insight at all like he usually has and it even borders on incoherent in the context of his other essays (posts, rants, whatever they are called now).

              He sounds like he is whinging on about the damn media librul in this one just like every other Redstate Internet douche.
              You wrote that while chuckling...admit it.
              May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
              Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
              And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
              may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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              • Billy Jingo
                I shave with Occam's Razor
                • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                • 18663

                #8
                Originally posted by Michele View Post
                You wrote that while chuckling...admit it.
                I admit it.
                “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

                ~ Omar El Akkad
                ​

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                • Norm dePlume
                  Err foil
                  • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                  • 14904

                  #9
                  So, if slavery wasn't hard work, was sharecropping hard work?
                  Enjoy.

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                  • Newman
                    Behind the Iron Curtain
                    • Friday, November 1, 2013
                    • 25814

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                    So, if slavery wasn't hard work, was sharecropping hard work?
                    Slaves famously resisted working hard, as best they were able under the threat of being whipped and such. Who in their right mind wouldn't?

                    Slave owners complained about it all the time, poor things.

                    A picture of enslaved African Americans picking cotton can inspire many thoughts, including admiration for simple endurance, and sympathy for the brutal work conditions.

                    But "hard work" as in the famous "Puritan work ethic"? as in personal ambition and so on?

                    Nuts.

                    You may as well post pictures of destitute slaves in their cabins as a reminder of what real frugality looks like.
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                    • Norm dePlume
                      Err foil
                      • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                      • 14904

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Newman View Post
                      Slaves famously resisted working hard, as best they were able under the threat of being whipped and such. Who in their right mind wouldn't?

                      Slave owners complained about it all the time, poor things.

                      A picture of enslaved African Americans picking cotton can inspire many thoughts, including admiration for simple endurance, and sympathy for the brutal work conditions.

                      But "hard work" as in the famous "Puritan work ethic"? as in personal ambition and so on?

                      Nuts.

                      You may as well post pictures of destitute slaves in their cabins as a reminder of what real frugality looks like.
                      I don't know why you quoted me, since none of this is responsive to what I said. But since you did, how do you know the picture in question was of slaves and not sharecroppers?

                      The point has been made twice already in the thread, but apparently it hasn't landed yet.
                      Last edited by Norm dePlume; Thursday, November 5, 2015, 12:09 PM.
                      Enjoy.

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                      • Adam
                        The way to a woman's heart is through her taste buds.
                        • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                        • 16885

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                        I don't know why you quoted me, since none of this is responsive to what I said. But since you did, how do you know the picture in question was of slaves and not sharecroppers?

                        The point has been made twice already in the thread, but apparently it hasn't landed yet.
                        Oh fer Chrissakes! This is just pathetic, even for you.
                        It's been ten years since that lonely day I left you
                        In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
                        Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
                        Pray for me, momma, I'm a gypsy now

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                        • scott
                          Go-to Guru
                          • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                          • 15799

                          #13
                          It's getting hard to keep track of all the conflicting nuances.

                          So "hard work" is racist because of the historical image of cotton pickers (because they were slaves and slaves were black) but cotton pickers aren't representative of slavery because some cotton pickers were also sharecroppers? Well some slaves were Irish. So why is this racist again?
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                          • Frostbit
                            But only once
                            • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                            • 22330

                            #14
                            Originally posted by scott View Post
                            It's getting hard to keep track of all the conflicting nuances.

                            So "hard work" is racist because of the historical image of cotton pickers (because they were slaves and slaves were black) but cotton pickers aren't representative of slavery because some cotton pickers were also sharecroppers? Well some slaves were Irish. So why is this racist again?
                            Geez Scott!! Just be offended. It's the universally accepted answer to everything these days.
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                            • phillygirl
                              Not superior, just kind
                              • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                              • 19840

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Frostbit View Post
                              Geez Scott!! Just be offended. It's the universally accepted answer to everything these days.
                              I take it that only democrats, cotton pickers, and mothers on welfare are hard workers, according to Ms. Harris-Perry.
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