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  • Billy Jingo
    I shave with Occam's Razor
    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
    • 18663

    #1

    What You Don't Know About Hillary Clinton Can Hurt You, Part 1:

    What You Don't Know About Hillary Clinton Can Hurt You, Part 1:

    Yesterday, the Rude Pundit was talking to a millennial dude who will be voting in his first presidential election this year. He sure hates Donald Trump, but he doesn't like Hillary Clinton because "she's so shady." That's one of those things that trigger a gut-level reaction in the Rude Pundit because it's a belief that's based on a heaping mountain of horseshit. So he went off on the millennial.

    "No," the Rude Pundit snapped, "that's completely fucking wrong. The only reason you think Clinton is shady is because 25 years of conservative media shoved it down your throat. She's been accused and accused and investigated and investigated and guess what? Not a goddamn thing has ever come of it. It's all shit made up to damage her. If you keep saying over and over that someone did something wrong, did something wrong, did something wrong, but you never prove it, then you're just an asshole."

    As Henry Louis Gates more politely put it in the New Yorker, "[F]or all we know, Hillary Clinton may be guilty of everything she’s accused of and more. You might say the point is that we don’t know. And it’s in those dark gaps in our knowledge that the political unconscious makes itself felt: you can’t tell a gun from a cigarette by the smoke alone. Which inference you prefer depends on which story you prefer—assuming you’ve been given one."

    By the way, Gates wrote that twenty fucking years ago. The article is titled "Hating Hillary," and it's fascinating to reread it now in the context of an election in the middle of our third decade of thinking that Clinton must be dirty from some scandal and worthy of hate.

    And this is not about her donors or her paid speeches or whatever, although the way we think about those things are colored by one of the most successful right-wing smear campaigns ever. No, this is the Hillary Scandal Industrial Complex, the nexus of Filegate-Whitewater-Travelgate-Benghazi-EmailServerGate and more, all fantasies conjured by conservatives in order to punish her for the sin of being a First Lady who tried to get health care reform passed and didn't shut the fuck up and order drapes for the president's bedroom.

    You think that's oversimplifying it? Then you didn't fucking live through it in the 1990s. You didn't watch as men in both parties tore themselves to pieces over what they viewed as Clinton's lack of decorum, her failure to merely be an adornment for her husband (see the reaction to Eleanor Roosevelt for this level of intense hatred). The scorn that Michelle Obama gets for just saying that American fat fucks should exercise a little and stop eating piles of shit is horrible, and its racist elements are disgusting, but, to be sure, it doesn't come near the level of Hillary Clinton because no one could write an article titled "Hating Michelle" and have it be about anything more than a bunch of cranky yahoos.
    “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

    ~ Omar El Akkad
    ​
  • Lady Marva
    Senior Member
    • Wednesday, June 17, 2015
    • 13321

    #2
    Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
    no one could write an article titled "Hating Michelle" and have it be about anything more than a bunch of cranky yahoos.
    No one can write that because they'll be cremated for being racist.

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    • 80zephyr
      Senior Member
      • Saturday, January 3, 2015
      • 19074

      #3
      When we elect a president, the first lady is just along for the ride. Who in the fuck does Michelle think she is by sticking her nose into our lives?

      She got ZERO votes, and yet these "first women" act like they have power when in reality they have as much power as I do...zip.

      Mark
      Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

      "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

      Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

      Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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      • gary m
        Reprobate
        • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
        • 8016

        #4
        Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
        When we elect a president, the first lady is just along for the ride. Who in the fuck does Michelle think she is by sticking her nose into our lives?

        She got ZERO votes, and yet these "first women" act like they have power when in reality they have as much power as I do...zip.

        Mark
        Just Say No?
        We are so fucked.

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        • Norm dePlume
          Err foil
          • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
          • 14904

          #5
          Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
          When we elect a president, the first lady is just along for the ride. Who in the fuck does Michelle think she is by sticking her nose into our lives?

          She got ZERO votes, and yet these "first women" act like they have power when in reality they have as much power as I do...zip.

          Mark
          When it comes to taking up sociopolitical causes, first ladies should
          Enjoy.

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          • Djharkavy
            Senior Member
            • Saturday, October 31, 2015
            • 4286

            #6
            Originally posted by Lady Marva View Post
            No one can write that because they'll be cremated for being racist.
            Since when have you been worried about that?

            Sent from my phone, using Tapatalk.
            All mistakes are caused by the phone.
            That's my story and I'm sticking to it...

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            • Michele
              Senior Member
              • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
              • 13964

              #7
              Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
              What You Don't Know About Hillary Clinton Can Hurt You, Part 1:

              Yesterday, the Rude Pundit was talking to a millennial dude who will be voting in his first presidential election this year. He sure hates Donald Trump, but he doesn't like Hillary Clinton because "she's so shady." That's one of those things that trigger a gut-level reaction in the Rude Pundit because it's a belief that's based on a heaping mountain of horseshit. So he went off on the millennial.

              "No," the Rude Pundit snapped, "that's completely fucking wrong. The only reason you think Clinton is shady is because 25 years of conservative media shoved it down your throat. She's been accused and accused and investigated and investigated and guess what? Not a goddamn thing has ever come of it. It's all shit made up to damage her. If you keep saying over and over that someone did something wrong, did something wrong, did something wrong, but you never prove it, then you're just an asshole."

              As Henry Louis Gates more politely put it in the New Yorker, "[F]or all we know, Hillary Clinton may be guilty of everything she’s accused of and more. You might say the point is that we don’t know. And it’s in those dark gaps in our knowledge that the political unconscious makes itself felt: you can’t tell a gun from a cigarette by the smoke alone. Which inference you prefer depends on which story you prefer—assuming you’ve been given one."

              By the way, Gates wrote that twenty fucking years ago. The article is titled "Hating Hillary," and it's fascinating to reread it now in the context of an election in the middle of our third decade of thinking that Clinton must be dirty from some scandal and worthy of hate.

              And this is not about her donors or her paid speeches or whatever, although the way we think about those things are colored by one of the most successful right-wing smear campaigns ever. No, this is the Hillary Scandal Industrial Complex, the nexus of Filegate-Whitewater-Travelgate-Benghazi-EmailServerGate and more, all fantasies conjured by conservatives in order to punish her for the sin of being a First Lady who tried to get health care reform passed and didn't shut the fuck up and order drapes for the president's bedroom.

              You think that's oversimplifying it? Then you didn't fucking live through it in the 1990s. You didn't watch as men in both parties tore themselves to pieces over what they viewed as Clinton's lack of decorum, her failure to merely be an adornment for her husband (see the reaction to Eleanor Roosevelt for this level of intense hatred). The scorn that Michelle Obama gets for just saying that American fat fucks should exercise a little and stop eating piles of shit is horrible, and its racist elements are disgusting, but, to be sure, it doesn't come near the level of Hillary Clinton because no one could write an article titled "Hating Michelle" and have it be about anything more than a bunch of cranky yahoos.
              Skimming this since the guy writes like a teenage boy with his f-word usage. Is this the beginning of the rationalization of why Hillary will be an awesome president by Bernie supporters who know his candidacy was just symbolic?
              May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
              Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
              And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
              may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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              • Norm dePlume
                Err foil
                • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                • 14904

                #8
                Originally posted by Michele View Post
                Skimming this since the guy writes like a teenage boy with his f-word usage. Is this the beginning of the rationalization of why Hillary will be an awesome president by Bernie supporters who know his candidacy was just symbolic?
                The usual criticism of Hillary by Bernie supporters is that Hillary is a creature of the establishment who will make only minor changes and mostly maintain the status quo. So, the point being made here would not address that.
                Enjoy.

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                • Michele
                  Senior Member
                  • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                  • 13964

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                  The usual criticism of Hillary by Bernie supporters is that Hillary is a creature of the establishment who will make only minor changes and mostly maintain the status quo. So, the point being made here would not address that.
                  Ah, this was written from a Bernie supporter. Thanks.
                  May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
                  Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
                  And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
                  may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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                  • 80zephyr
                    Senior Member
                    • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                    • 19074

                    #10
                    Originally posted by gary m View Post
                    Just Say No?
                    I'm not sure that the schools she forced to "eat smart" can just say no without financial ramifications.

                    Mark
                    Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

                    "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

                    Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

                    Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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                    • 80zephyr
                      Senior Member
                      • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                      • 19074

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                      When it comes to taking up sociopolitical causes, first ladies should
                      Yep. Nancy Reagan included.

                      Mark
                      Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

                      "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

                      Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

                      Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

                      Comment

                      • Billy Jingo
                        I shave with Occam's Razor
                        • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                        • 18663

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Michele View Post
                        Skimming this since the guy writes like a teenage boy with his f-word usage.
                        Oh, he is much worse than that. This one was actually kind of timid so I thought it was okay to post it here.
                        “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

                        ~ Omar El Akkad
                        ​

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                        • Lady Marva
                          Senior Member
                          • Wednesday, June 17, 2015
                          • 13321

                          #13
                          Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
                          When we elect a president, the first lady is just along for the ride. Who in the fuck does Michelle think she is by sticking her nose into our lives?

                          She got ZERO votes, and yet these "first women" act like they have power when in reality they have as much power as I do...zip.

                          Mark
                          lololol............. got some "power" when the Pres is naked in the shower.

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