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  • Billy Jingo
    I shave with Occam's Razor
    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
    • 18663

    #1

    Donald Trump is going to win

    Donald Trump is going to win: This is why Hillary Clinton can’t defeat what Trump represents

    People are rising up against neoliberal globalization. Trump represents capital, but also understands this reality




    The neofascist reaction, the force behind Trump, has come about because of the extreme disembeddedness of the economy from social relations. The neoliberal economy has become pure abstraction; as has the market, as has the state, there is no reality to any of these things the way we have classically understood them. Americans, like people everywhere rising up against neoliberal globalization (in Britain, for example, this takes the form of Brexit, or exit from the European Union), want a return of social relations, or embeddedness, to the economy.

    The Trump alliance desires to remake the world in their own image, just as the class representing neoliberal globalization has insisted on doing so. The difference couldn’t be starker. Capitalism today is placeless, locationless, nameless, faceless, while Trump is talking about hauling corporations back to where they belong, in their home countries, fix them in place by means of rewards and retribution, like one handles a recalcitrant child.

    Trump is a businessman, while Mitt Romney was a businessman too, yet I predict victory for the former while the latter obviously lost miserably. What is the difference? While Trump “builds” things (literal buildings), in places like Manhattan and Atlantic City, places one can recognize and identify with, and while Trump’s entire life has been orchestrated around building luxury and ostentatiousness, again things one can tangibly grasp and hold on to (the Trump steaks!), Romney is the personification of a placeless corporation, making his quarter billion dollars from consulting, i.e., representing economic abstraction at its purest, serving as a high priest of the transnational capitalist class.

    No one can visualize the boardroom Romney sat in, as head of Bain Capital, but, via The Apprentice, everyone has seen, for more than a decade, what Trump’s boardroom looks like, and what it takes to be a “winner” in the real economy. What was that façade behind the collapse of fictitious corporations like Enron in the early 2000s? Trump supposedly pulled the veil off.

    In the present election, Hillary Clinton represents precisely the same disembodiedness as Romney, for example because of her association with the Clinton Foundation. Where did the business of the state, while she was secretary of state, stop, and where did the business of global philanthropy (just another name for global business), begin, and who can possibly tell the difference? The maneuverings of the Clinton Foundation, in the popular imagination, are as arcane as the colossal daily transactions on the world’s financial exchanges.
    “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

    ~ Omar El Akkad
    ​
  • phillygirl
    Not superior, just kind
    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
    • 19840

    #2
    neofascism: a political movement arising in Europe after World War II and characterized by policies designed to incorporate the basic principles of fascism (as nationalism and opposition to democracy) into existing political systems
    Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
    Robert Southwell, S.J.

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    • Billy Jingo
      I shave with Occam's Razor
      • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
      • 18663

      #3
      Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
      neofascism: a political movement arising in Europe after World War II and characterized by policies designed to incorporate the basic principles of fascism (as nationalism and opposition to democracy) into existing political systems
      I disagree on the Clinton Foundation thing. It can be too complicated. Millions in "speaking fees" is easy to understand.
      “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

      ~ Omar El Akkad
      ​

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      • Hondo
        Memento Homo
        • Sunday, October 6, 2013
        • 2473

        #4
        I am confused. We were told repeatedly some months ago around here that it was inevitable that Hillary is going to be the next president and it doesn't matter what the GOP does, because they are basically toast. And racists who hate children, of course.

        So is it that Hillary is going to be the next preezy no matter what, or is it that she can't beat Trump?

        Seriously, is there going to be a test on this shit, because I want to know what I need to study for it.

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        • Billy Jingo
          I shave with Occam's Razor
          • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
          • 18663

          #5
          Originally posted by Hondo View Post
          I am confused. We were told repeatedly some months ago around here that it was inevitable that Hillary is going to be the next president and it doesn't matter what the GOP does, because they are basically toast.
          I'm in that school for now. I don't see how Trump (or any Republican for that matter) wins the presidency in the near term.

          And racists who hate children, of course.
          Duh.

          So is it that Hillary is going to be the next preezy no matter what, or is it that she can't beat Trump?

          Seriously, is there going to be a test on this shit, because I want to know what I need to study for it.
          I know this may sound odd but there is a variety of opinion on the issue. I like to read them and sometimes there are cool arguments being made; sometimes they are stupid arguments written well. Just something to read over a burrito. Or whatever they eat in Ohio and Pennsylvania .... haggis?
          “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

          ~ Omar El Akkad
          ​

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          • Djharkavy
            Senior Member
            • Saturday, October 31, 2015
            • 4286

            #6
            Originally posted by Hondo View Post
            I am confused. We were told repeatedly some months ago around here that it was inevitable that Hillary is going to be the next president and it doesn't matter what the GOP does, because they are basically toast. And racists who hate children, of course.

            So is it that Hillary is going to be the next preezy no matter what, or is it that she can't beat Trump?

            Seriously, is there going to be a test on this shit, because I want to know what I need to study for it.
            Mathematically, Hillary is very likely to win the presidency. Based on early polling and state track records, Election projection gives her a narrow lead in popular vote and about a lead of 160 in the electoral vote count.

            This can change by the time the election occurs. The current idea is that Trump exceeded all expectations in the primaries therefore he will exceed all expectations in the general election.

            I doubt that Trump will win, but the possibility exists and scares me.

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            • Norm dePlume
              Err foil
              • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
              • 14904

              #7
              I particularly like the scenario that Trump's proximity to the White House triggers a financial panic that causes a recession that cements Trump's election. I'm a sucker for feedback loops.
              Enjoy.

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              • Hondo
                Memento Homo
                • Sunday, October 6, 2013
                • 2473

                #8
                Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                I particularly like the scenario that Trump's proximity to the White House triggers a financial panic that causes a recession that cements Trump's election. I'm a sucker for feedback loops.

                I hadn't heard that one, but then other than this place I avoid politics whenever possible.

                By the way, new thread in the RKBA forum. Fuck you and your space revolver. Ha!

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                • Hondo
                  Memento Homo
                  • Sunday, October 6, 2013
                  • 2473

                  #9
                  Also, I am going to come out right now and say that Trump will beat Hillary like a gong. 38 states, maybe more.


                  I have no idea if this is even possible, but in the event that it does come to pass, I want to be able to point to this post and say that I was like Nostradamus and that all you other bitches need to sit down and shut the fuck up. Forever.

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                  • scott
                    Go-to Guru
                    • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                    • 15799

                    #10
                    Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
                    neofascism: a political movement arising in Europe after World War II and characterized by policies designed to incorporate the basic principles of fascism (as nationalism and opposition to democracy) into existing political systems
                    That's the old definition. The new one is this:

                    Any policy not on Bernie or Hilary's platforms.
                    "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
                    -John Locke

                    "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
                    -Newman

                    "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
                    -Newman

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                    • scott
                      Go-to Guru
                      • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                      • 15799

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Djharkavy View Post
                      Mathematically, Hillary is very likely to win the presidency. Based on early polling and state track records, Election projection gives her a narrow lead in popular vote and about a lead of 160 in the electoral vote count.

                      This can change by the time the election occurs. The current idea is that Trump exceeded all expectations in the primaries therefore he will exceed all expectations in the general election.

                      I doubt that Trump will win, but the possibility exists and scares me.

                      Sent from my phone, using Tapatalk.
                      All mistakes are caused by the phone.
                      That's my story and I'm sticking to it...
                      Trump scares you but Hilary doesn't. That should tell you something.
                      "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
                      -John Locke

                      "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
                      -Newman

                      "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
                      -Newman

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                      • Billy Jingo
                        I shave with Occam's Razor
                        • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                        • 18663

                        #12
                        Originally posted by scott View Post
                        Trump scares you but Hilary doesn't. That should tell you something.
                        Yes. It should tell him he is a rational human being.
                        “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

                        ~ Omar El Akkad
                        ​

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                        • scott
                          Go-to Guru
                          • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                          • 15799

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                          Yes. It should tell him he is a rational human being.
                          There you go again, anyone who disagrees with you is mentally ill (or not human).

                          What has Hillary run well? A store? A law office? A garage sale? What is going to be good about her Presidency? Her foreign policy sucks, there is no dot-com boom coming, and there is no way she's going to cut taxes back to the 1990s levels so what exactly is she going to be able to do that will work for our economy?

                          I'm confounded that DJ (whom I consider to be quite rational) doesn't see all the incompetence and bullshit surrounding everything Hillary.
                          "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
                          -John Locke

                          "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
                          -Newman

                          "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
                          -Newman

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                          • Billy Jingo
                            I shave with Occam's Razor
                            • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                            • 18663

                            #14
                            Originally posted by scott View Post
                            There you go again, anyone who disagrees with you is mentally ill (or not human).

                            What has Hillary run well? A store? A law office? A garage sale? What is going to be good about her Presidency? Her foreign policy sucks, there is no dot-com boom coming, and there is no way she's going to cut taxes back to the 1990s levels so what exactly is she going to be able to do that will work for our economy?

                            I'm confounded that DJ (whom I consider to be quite rational) doesn't see all the incompetence and bullshit surrounding everything Hillary.
                            Are you almost about to ready its close to support fucking Donald Trump for President of the United States?
                            “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

                            ~ Omar El Akkad
                            ​

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                            • scott
                              Go-to Guru
                              • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                              • 15799

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                              Are you almost about to ready its close to support fucking Donald Trump for President of the United States?
                              Is there a question there? You may wish to try using basic English instead of that mush.
                              "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
                              -John Locke

                              "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
                              -Newman

                              "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
                              -Newman

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