Are Trump-Haters Unwell?

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  • Frostbit
    But only once
    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
    • 22330

    #1

    Are Trump-Haters Unwell?

    Are Trump-Haters Unwell?

    Jeremy Clarke in his Spectator, ‘Lowlife’ column raises a very interesting question with regard to people who are anti-Trump and asks if “.. this hatred..” of the president is “.. perhaps a complex that I can look up in a textbook of psychological disorders?”

    The problem he addresses is the, to my knowledge, unprecedented levels of furious vitriol and hysteria that have followed this man’s election to be president of the United States. Just what sort of a person Donald Trump is I have no idea and he may not be a very nice person but what mystifies is what he has said or done that has triggered this extreme opprobrium verging on a violent death-cult.

    Like Clarke, I sort of liked his platform as a candidate. He said he wanted to improve relations with Russia which I thought was an excellent idea. I don’t believe Putin wants war with America or Western Europe and it seemed sensible for these two great, (essentially Christian) powers to work together in confronting the scourge of Islamic terrorism and in the process, create a more peaceful and inevitably prosperous world. He said he felt America had signed on to some bum trade deals and he wanted to renegotiate them. He’s a business-savvy guy, I thought maybe he was the right man to stitch together better deals for his country. He said he wanted to secure his country’s borders and try to make it tougher for ‘bad guys’ to enter. I thought that is what governments were supposed to do otherwise why bother with borders? He said he thought Europeans should do more to defend themselves. Here again, I thought he had a point; the US has financed European security since WW II and I felt he was making a good point when he warned loose-lipped liberal politicians in Europe against war-talk in case he left them to fight their own battles. And Trump said he wanted to disentangle his country from the multiple, costly, complex and unwinnable wars his predecessors triggered and sustained.

    Sadly, he seems to have changed course on these undertakings but it is these policy ideas that made him the most divisive politician in modern history and the savage intensity of the media-campaign against him is without precedent. Celebrities and notable leftists have called publicly for him to be violently disposed of. Anti-Trumpers are filmed throwing urine-filled bottles at old white ladies waving American flags. Some commentators suggest his election has placed America on the brink of some sort of civil war. As far as the media and the political opposition is concerned this is a man deserving of nothing less than hatred and contempt and I cannot understand why? But maybe I’m missing the elephant in the room; after all he’s white and he’s rich and unlike his predecessor, he owes nobody anything. And being white today, unless you fall to your knees and plead forgiveness for the colour of your skin you are part of the most hated population group on the planet.

    On the other hand, Barry Soetero a.k.a. Barack Obama, a man blessed with a brown skin, lest we forget, became the president having barely ever held a job apart from being some sort of community activist in Chicago. We were told he was a brilliant lawyer and editor of the Harvard Law Review but we never read an opinion he penned because nothing was published. His college records, which surely validate his intellectual prowess, were never released to the public. His provenance was and remains murky. I believe he was born in the USA but he looks very unlike the dumpy Kenyan alcoholic he claims as his father and his mother, we know, was a very ‘busy’ lady with a predilection for ‘men of colour’ particularly those involved in anti-establishment (read anti-white) political causes. His religious beliefs were and remain unclear but he showed a remarkably benign approach to Islamic militancy which raised many questions about his commitment to American core-values which, like it or not, provided the platform for the construction of the country he presided over. Despite all these questions about the man the MSM preferred not to dig too deep.

    It was also abundantly clear, right from the outset that this man was no fan of the white American working-class. But despite all this, when he was elected, while there was wide-spread disappointment among his political foes, they accepted his election with gracious resignation. There was little vituperation from the conservative media, there were no ‘white-supremacists’ rioting in the streets and burning their neighbourhoods down, there were no comedians calling for his beheading, no Obama supporters were refused permission to speak at Ivy League universities, nobody insulted his wife. The vast majority simply shrugged their shoulders and accepted the will of the majority which is as it should be and was, until Trump came along and all the old rules no longer applied.

    We, of European descent, who happen to have been born in Africa should not be surprised by any of this; we have lived with the same paradigm. Simply because of our race we have been vilified and discriminated against virtually all our lives. Nothing, we or our hard-working ancestors have achieved is appreciated, let alone, lauded. Some of the best run countries are now, without question, the worst governed and hundreds of millions of poor Africans, bereft of hope are testament to this. Much of this would have been avoided had white-Africans not been exiled and excluded. Sadly, it appears America is on the same slippery slope to disaster.
    If it pays, it stays
  • Billy Jingo
    I shave with Occam's Razor
    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
    • 18663

    #2
    White supremicists AND Putin apologists. But I repeat myself.

    Seriously skeevy site.
    “One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”

    ~ Omar El Akkad
    ​

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    • scott
      Go-to Guru
      • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
      • 15799

      #3
      Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
      White supremicists AND Putin apologists. But I repeat myself.

      Seriously skeevy site.
      Hillary was a white supremacist?

      Or does her overture to Putin not count because she botched it?
      "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
      -John Locke

      "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
      -Newman

      "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
      -Newman

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      • Novaheart
        Guardian of civilization
        • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
        • 6070

        #4
        What we are witnessing from the left is best described as hysteria.
        The year's at the spring
        And day's at the morn;
        Morning's at seven;
        The hill-side's dew-pearled;
        The lark's on the wing;
        The snail's on the thorn:
        God's in his heaven—
        All's right with the world!

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        • 80zephyr
          Senior Member
          • Saturday, January 3, 2015
          • 19074

          #5
          Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
          White supremicists AND Putin apologists. But I repeat myself.

          Seriously skeevy site.
          What did he say that wasn't factual? The old "kill the messenger" trick won't work anymore Billy. Its time to start debating using facts, not feelings.

          Mark
          Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

          "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

          Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

          Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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          • Celeste Chalfonte
            apostate
            • Saturday, October 5, 2013
            • 27897

            #6
            Originally posted by Frostbit View Post
            The problem he addresses is the, to my knowledge, unprecedented levels of furious vitriol and hysteria that have followed this man’s election to be president of the United States.

            ...[W]hen he was elected, while there was wide-spread disappointment among his political foes, they accepted his election with gracious resignation.
            Should've known, right there, that this guy wasn't living in the US when Obama was elected.
            "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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            • Tom Servo
              Area Man
              • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
              • 5898

              #7
              BDS, ODS, TDS… and the beat goes on.
              “Any sufficiently advanced capitalism is indistinguishable from rent seeking.” ~ =j

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              • Adam
                The way to a woman's heart is through her taste buds.
                • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                • 16885

                #8
                Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
                Should've known, right there, that this guy wasn't living in the US when Obama was elected.
                I must have missed the riots that Obama opponents engaged in because of his election.
                It's been ten years since that lonely day I left you
                In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
                Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
                Pray for me, momma, I'm a gypsy now

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                • Novaheart
                  Guardian of civilization
                  • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                  • 6070

                  #9
                  if pressed for time skip ahead to 5:00


                  The year's at the spring
                  And day's at the morn;
                  Morning's at seven;
                  The hill-side's dew-pearled;
                  The lark's on the wing;
                  The snail's on the thorn:
                  God's in his heaven—
                  All's right with the world!

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                  • Newman
                    Behind the Iron Curtain
                    • Friday, November 1, 2013
                    • 25814

                    #10
                    From the first old man playing coy about the word führer to the girls who didn't know MLK's quote about the content of one's character, it's a nearly lost cause.
                    • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
                    • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
                    • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
                    • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
                    • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
                    • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
                    • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
                    • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
                    • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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                    • Lanie
                      Finally have my self respect.
                      • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                      • 4829

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Tom Servo View Post
                      BDS, ODS, TDS… and the beat goes on.
                      Perhaps one day this country will grow up and stop panicking through an administration.

                      I almost answered the question of the OP as "I'm just fine." Then, I remembered that I don't hate Trump. I've been brainwashed by the Trump lovers into believing I hate Trump.

                      I think it's important to support our president as much as we can. When they do something despicable (and I'm sure some know what he did that I hate this week), we speak out against it. BUT don't hate on Trump/Obama/Bush/whoever everytime they breath out a quote. Don't twist everything they say. Don't get offended over every little thing they say. Fight when you feel the president is wrong. Support the rest of the time.

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                      • Novaheart
                        Guardian of civilization
                        • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                        • 6070

                        #12
                        http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/12/public-universitys-diversity-training-expecting-people-to-show-up-on-time-is-racist/
                        The year's at the spring
                        And day's at the morn;
                        Morning's at seven;
                        The hill-side's dew-pearled;
                        The lark's on the wing;
                        The snail's on the thorn:
                        God's in his heaven—
                        All's right with the world!

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                        • Celeste Chalfonte
                          apostate
                          • Saturday, October 5, 2013
                          • 27897

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Adam View Post
                          I must have missed the riots that Obama opponents engaged in because of his election.
                          Look at what I quoted. When a person quotes a specific passage, that's usually what they're addressing in their response. There was ample vitriol when Obama was elected and for the entire 8 years of his presidency. There was a notable and public LACK of "gracious resignation" or gracious anything. You, personally, and many others frothed at the mouth almost constantly, and in some cases continue to do so.

                          I've already roundly denounced the self-styled "anti-fascists," so if you didn't get your minimum daily requirement, bug somebody else. I'm bored with your schtick.
                          "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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                          • 80zephyr
                            Senior Member
                            • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                            • 19074

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
                            Look at what I quoted. When a person quotes a specific passage, that's usually what they're addressing in their response. There was ample vitriol when Obama was elected and for the entire 8 years of his presidency. There was a notable and public LACK of "gracious resignation" or gracious anything. You, personally, and many others frothed at the mouth almost constantly, and in some cases continue to do so.

                            I've already roundly denounced the self-styled "anti-fascists," so if you didn't get your minimum daily requirement, bug somebody else. I'm bored with your schtick.
                            Yep. Obama was treated poorly. But Bush II was treated VERY poorly. Obama was payback. The right FINALLY started paying attention to their tactics and used them on Obama.

                            As for Trump, the left has ramped up the vitriol 10 fold. I am quite sure that our next Democratic president will have no "honeymoon" from his/her first day in office. The right will treat that president with the same respect Trump got.

                            You can count on it.

                            Mark
                            Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

                            "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

                            Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

                            Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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                            • Celeste Chalfonte
                              apostate
                              • Saturday, October 5, 2013
                              • 27897

                              #15
                              Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post
                              Yep. Obama was treated poorly. But Bush II was treated VERY poorly. Obama was payback. The right FINALLY started paying attention to their tactics and used them on Obama.

                              As for Trump, the left has ramped up the vitriol 10 fold. I am quite sure that our next Democratic president will have no "honeymoon" from his/her first day in office. The right will treat that president with the same respect Trump got.

                              You can count on it.
                              Ah, the venerable "He hit me first!" defense. You go with that.
                              "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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