Officials identify suspect in shooting that killed 10 at Texas' Santa Fe High School

[Frostbit]

I say, bring on more dead kids. It only strengthens the second amendment.

Pipe bombs and molotov cocktails are protected by the second amendment?

[80zephyr]

Two takes that always spring to mind when this happens.

The Onion: "No Way To Prevent This, Says Only Nation Where This Routinely Happens"

Bill O'Reilly: "This is the price we pay for the freedom we have."

I say, bring on more dead kids. It only strengthens the second amendment.

Every country has their problems Tom. Its the culture.

In Japan suicide was the leading cause of death for Japanese children between the ages of 10 and 19.

The Onion could run a headline that states "No way to prevent this, in one of the few countries that it routinely happens"

Mark

[Adam]

Two takes that always spring to mind when this happens.

The Onion: "No Way To Prevent This, Says Only Nation Where This Routinely Happens"

Bill O'Reilly: "This is the price we pay for the freedom we have."

I say, bring on more dead kids. It only strengthens the second amendment.

Not this shit again....

[Tom Servo]

Pipe bombs and molotov cocktails are protected by the second amendment?

You might have a point if those devices had actually hurt anyone instead of being duds.

But, nice attempt at deflection. Try talking about car safety or something, that is always y'all's popular go-to.

[Adam]

You might have a point if those devices had actually hurt anyone instead of being duds.

That's a hell of an excuse. Therefore, since Loughner's gun jammed, that means that he didn't do anything.

[Frostbit]

You might have a point if those devices had actually hurt anyone instead of being duds.

But, nice attempt at deflection. Try talking about car safety or something, that is always y'all's popular go-to.

Inconvient fact if you are truly worried about children dying. You're not. You just want to pick the current scab.

[JB]

Try talking about car safety or something, that is always y'all's popular go-to.

Perhaps we should talk about the number of dead you don't care about caused by red meat.

Or booze.

[80zephyr]

You might have a point if those devices had actually hurt anyone instead of being duds.

But, nice attempt at deflection. Try talking about car safety or something, that is always y'all's popular go-to.

Tom, the worst school massacre in history was done with bombs.

Mark

[Newman]

So which guns do you want to ban? Shotguns? .38 pistols?

A shotgun and a .38 pistol don't fit the narrative as well.

More disturbing for me are the pipe bombs and other explosive devices. There doesn't seem to be a huge youth outcry against these devices.

Of course, they are already illegal as is stealing guns and murder.

Meanwhile, the talking points finally went out, and the Democrats are in a tweet storm calling for a Blue Wave so that congress will do something!


So now it's just action. Action now! (or November 6th)

[...]

So now Democrats are calling for action, not specific, just something.

[...]

The anti-gun activists and Democrats were vexed for several minutes, but then they got the jump on the "issue" by claiming the high ground—they want action—and implying that opponents are the problem. They don't want to do anything, and worse, they'll block the Democrats.

I think they win that news cycle, but news cycles are very short these days, and theirs is a hollow argument because the "action" is irrelevant, recycled hogwash. A quick glance at Drudge seems to have no mention of demands for action on gun control anywhere on it. No mention of the shooting at all that I catch. That was a fast fifteen minutes.

Maybe it was a good fund raiser, though.

[scott]

I support laws against pipe bombs. I thought I was quite clear about that.

So what were you trying to say then? Why be so clear about a law we both support in the context of this violent incident?

Do you want to ban .38 pistols and shotguns or should we just pass laws making possession of them illegal for 17 year olds?

[Norm dePlume]

So what were you trying to say then? Why be so clear about a law we both support in the context of this violent incident?

Sorry. Didn't mean to be agreeable. Won't happen again.

Do you want to ban .38 pistols and shotguns or should we just pass laws making possession of them illegal for 17 year olds?

Nope and nope. I support red flag laws, although I don't think the red flag were very prominent in this case so that probably wouldn't have mad a difference. I support a ban on high capacity magazines, but that definitely doesn't apply to this one. A mandatory safe storage law might have made a difference, which reminds me. Shouldn't Frosty be giving the shooter's dad a ration of shit for not having his guns locked away from doofus boy? I sort of had the impression that was a big issue for him. As I recall, the Sandy Hook shooter used his mom's guns and took them out of safe storage because she gave him a key (or the combination, or whatever). Or maybe she just left the key where he could steal it.

Also, there were apparently two armed officers on site at this school and that didn't stop it, so does that mean you no longer support having armed security on site? I'm guessing no, it doesn't mean that. So, it's not as simple as X didn't stop this, therefore X is worthless. Maybe if he'd worn a clear backpack over his trench coat, that would have stopped the whole thing.

[Tom Servo]

Inconvient fact if you are truly worried about children dying. You're not. You just want to pick the current scab.

Perhaps we should talk about the number of dead you don't care about caused by red meat.

Or booze.

Tom, the worst school massacre in history was done with bombs.

Mark

There is no Constitutional right that I'm aware of to own bombs, red meat, cars or anything else you guys love to deflect about, so your points are all universally invalid.

And no, I don't really care about children dying, but apparently neither do any of you.

At least I have the fucking balls to say that the Second Amendment trumps the right to life of kids, because that is exactly what all of you believe, you just are all too chickenshit to admit it.

[Frostbit]

At least I have the fucking balls to say that the Second Amendment trumps the right to life of kids, because that is exactly what all of you believe, you just are all too chickenshit to admit it.

Agreed!

I also thought our freedom from blanket government surveillance was more important than the occasion terrorist attack but the Patriot Act took care of that. Try a different scab.

[Gingersnap]

There is no Constitutional right that I'm aware of to own bombs, red meat, cars or anything else you guys love to deflect about, so your points are all universally invalid.

And no, I don't really care about children dying, but apparently neither do any of you.

At least I have the fucking balls to say that the Second Amendment trumps the right to life of kids, because that is exactly what all of you believe, you just are all too chickenshit to admit it.

Well, cars and beef probably come under "pursuit of happiness" which is not a right per se but it's obviously strongly encouraged.

The number of school shooting deaths and injuries in a country of 330 million is virtually nothing if sheer death counts are what you care about. I dunno if you do.

The number of medical error deaths is about 250,000 per year; some sources peg that higher.

In total, The Post found an average of 10 school shootings per year since Columbine, with a low of five in 2002 and a high of 15 in 2014. Less than three months into 2018, there have been 11 shootings, already making this year among the worst on record.

At least 130 kids, educators, staff and family members have been killed in assaults during school hours, and another 254 have been injured.

Now, if true that's less than 500 since 1999. While disturbing, it's not a "crisis". A crisis is when thousands of black teens and young adults are killed in the same period by their peers.

That's a crisis.

[80zephyr]

There is no Constitutional right that I'm aware of to own bombs, red meat, cars or anything else you guys love to deflect about, so your points are all universally invalid.

And no, I don't really care about children dying, but apparently neither do any of you.

At least I have the fucking balls to say that the Second Amendment trumps the right to life of kids, because that is exactly what all of you believe, you just are all too chickenshit to admit it.

What I believe is that, try as we might, kids will die. If what we "trade" for their lives isn't worth the cost, then to me its a nonstarter. For instance, if we lowered the speed limit to 15 mph across the board, it would save many lives, but at what cost?

Mark