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  • Michele
    Senior Member
    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
    • 13964

    #16
    It will be pure agony for these families of the hostages to wait to find out, 1) will their loved ones be alive in the 33 released or 2) will they be recovering their remains or 3) will they be in the next wave of hostages release, only to continue the agony of waiting. That is terrorism.

    And speaking of Biden...I didn't watch his video claiming credit for helping Israel get its citizens back. Imo, he forfeited any moral authority on that a long time ago. He's not and never has been in charge of his administration. Most people understand that. This is Obama's foreign policy in a third term with Blinken, Sullivan and State Dept as his foot soldiers. They have prolonged this war by their actions and demands while being openly hostile to our only democratic ally in the ME. Not really an American ideal to aspire to.

    If there had been a strong US leader in place on October 8, 2023 (not Biden) who was an honest partner and friend to Israel (not Obama), they "could have called up the governments in Qatar and Iran, and told them to get their friends in Hamas to hand over the hostages now. A hardball approach against the Qataris, Iranians and Turks could have solved this mess 15 months ago.”

    But no, this administration continued Obama's desire to make a mullah dictatorship in Iran a legitimate and rational player in the ME because of, I dont know...he has mommy and daddy issues. So Israel deferred to its friend until it couldn't bow anymore and was forced to go it alone ie attacking the pager and walkie-talkie's of Hezbollah in Lebanon, Syria and yes, Gaza without telling the US. They also didn't heed the great wisdom of Harris and went into Rafah to take out Sinwar.

    The information that comes out of the treacherous ME foreign policy of the Obama years, which would include Biden’s, will be interesting to say the very least. As to Biden deserving credit for the hostage release, he was and is a mentally and physically diminished elderly man who was chosen, protected and propped-up because those that were fixated on their power to rule and change our country with an iron fist, needed him...and he needed them for his delusional ego and criminal grifting. The best he deserves is free transportation back to his basement with beach privileges.
    May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
    Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
    And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
    may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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    • Michele
      Senior Member
      • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
      • 13964

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      "Terror supporters have announced that on January, 20, they will riot in 70+ cities around the country on Inauguration Day.

      January 20th is also the second day of the ceasefire agreement. These people don’t care about “Palestine,” they want anarchy."
      May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
      Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
      And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
      may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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      • 80zephyr
        Senior Member
        • Saturday, January 3, 2015
        • 19074

        #18
        Originally posted by Michele View Post
        It will be pure agony for these families of the hostages to wait to find out, 1) will their loved ones be alive in the 33 released or 2) will they be recovering their remains or 3) will they be in the next wave of hostages release, only to continue the agony of waiting. That is terrorism.

        And speaking of Biden...I didn't watch his video claiming credit for helping Israel get its citizens back. Imo, he forfeited any moral authority on that a long time ago. He's not and never has been in charge of his administration. Most people understand that. This is Obama's foreign policy in a third term with Blinken, Sullivan and State Dept as his foot soldiers. They have prolonged this war by their actions and demands while being openly hostile to our only democratic ally in the ME. Not really an American ideal to aspire to.

        If there had been a strong US leader in place on October 8, 2023 (not Biden) who was an honest partner and friend to Israel (not Obama), they "could have called up the governments in Qatar and Iran, and told them to get their friends in Hamas to hand over the hostages now. A hardball approach against the Qataris, Iranians and Turks could have solved this mess 15 months ago.”

        But no, this administration continued Obama's desire to make a mullah dictatorship in Iran a legitimate and rational player in the ME because of, I dont know...he has mommy and daddy issues. So Israel deferred to its friend until it couldn't bow anymore and was forced to go it alone ie attacking the pager and walkie-talkie's of Hezbollah in Lebanon, Syria and yes, Gaza without telling the US. They also didn't heed the great wisdom of Harris and went into Rafah to take out Sinwar.

        The information that comes out of the treacherous ME foreign policy of the Obama years, which would include Biden’s, will be interesting to say the very least. As to Biden deserving credit for the hostage release, he was and is a mentally and physically diminished elderly man who was chosen, protected and propped-up because those that were fixated on their power to rule and change our country with an iron fist, needed him...and he needed them for his delusional ego and criminal grifting. The best he deserves is free transportation back to his basement with beach privileges.
        I don't know a lot about the Middle East. It appears you do. Good post.

        Mark
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        • Michele
          Senior Member
          • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
          • 13964

          #19
          May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
          Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
          And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
          may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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          • Michele
            Senior Member
            • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
            • 13964

            #20
            May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
            Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
            And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
            may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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            • Michele
              Senior Member
              • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
              • 13964

              #21
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ID:	389771 Kfir and Ariel Bibas who are the youngest Hamas hostages. Kfir was 9 months old when he and his brother Ariel were kidnapped along with their parents. Today he turns 2. It was thought that they would be the first released. But if there is one thing the Hamas terrorists do well, it's psychological torture. Along with all of the hostages, I hope and pray these babies have survived physically and mentally.
              May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
              Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
              And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
              may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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              • Michele
                Senior Member
                • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                • 13964

                #22
                Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post

                I don't know a lot about the Middle East. It appears you do. Good post.

                Mark
                Thanks, I don't know that much but I do read most news on this war and other ME situations from non-Western sources including podcasts. I also look to Scott as our expert on the ME and pay attention when he speaks.
                May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
                Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
                And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
                may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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                • Celeste Chalfonte
                  apostate
                  • Saturday, October 5, 2013
                  • 27897

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Michele View Post

                  Thanks, I don't know that much but I do read most news on this war and other ME situations from non-Western sources including podcasts. I also look to Scott as our expert on the ME and pay attention when he speaks.
                  I subscribe to the Times of Israel newsletter and often find it enlightening.
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                  • phillygirl
                    Not superior, just kind
                    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                    • 19840

                    #24
                    Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post

                    I don't know a lot about the Middle East. It appears you do. Good post.

                    Mark
                    Ditto from me.
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                    • Michele
                      Senior Member
                      • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                      • 13964

                      #25
                      "🇮🇱🎗️Live: THE DISGRACE SHOW of Hamas has begun, the four female IDF soldiers are shown on a stage dressed in uniform among the masked Hamas terrorists at the 'Palestine square' in Gaza... on the stage are inscriptions like “Zionism will not win” in Hebrew. Pure psychological terror! Very humiliating for Israel.

                      I HOPE IT ENDS SOON, and the Red Cross takes the four Israeli women who are forced to laugh, out to freedom, to Israel. It's not easy for me to watch.
                      (More details later)"

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                      May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
                      Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
                      And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
                      may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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                      • Michele
                        Senior Member
                        • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                        • 13964

                        #26
                        "🇮🇱🎗️THIS IS THE REAL VICTORY picture - Liri, Naama, Danielle, and Karina back in the hands of their parents.
                        (They are now on their way to the hospital in Tel Aviv by helicopter)"


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                        May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
                        Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
                        And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
                        may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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                        • Michele
                          Senior Member
                          • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                          • 13964

                          #27
                          "IDF spokesperson:
                          We have grave concerns for the fate of Shiri Bibas and her children.


                          Hamas did not fulfill its obligation to return the kidnapped civilians first."

                          May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
                          Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
                          And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
                          may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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                          • Michele
                            Senior Member
                            • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                            • 13964

                            #28
                            "Naama Levy’s captor was eliminated. She is free today!"



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                            May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
                            Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
                            And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
                            may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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                            • Michele
                              Senior Member
                              • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                              • 13964

                              #29
                              The Bibas family:

                              "It's morning of day 477, yesterday at 4:00PM when the names were published, our world collapsed on us, we were hoping to see Shiri and the children on the list. Thank you, dear supporters, for not giving up, continuing to pray".


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                              May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
                              Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
                              And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
                              may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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                              • Lady Marva
                                Senior Member
                                • Wednesday, June 17, 2015
                                • 13321

                                #30
                                Don't trust the hamas-bots to do anything they say they will do.

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