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  • Gingersnap
    Resident stylistic consultant
    • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
    • 24058

    #1

    Why I Will Never Shave My Legs Again

    Why I Will Never Shave My Legs Again

    Suzannah Weiss
    July 22, 2015
    (Photo: Suzannah Weiss)

    My first exposure to the female coming-of-age ritual of leg shaving occurred during sleep-away camp at age eleven. In an almost ceremonial fashion, my cabin-mates would bring buckets, shaving cream, and razors out onto the deck for “shaving parties” on weekend afternoons. I and some other late bloomers sat quietly on the benches, observing a rite we were too embarrassed to ask our mothers about and too well-behaved to partake in without their permission.

    (snipped adolescent angst)

    I stopped shaving once and for all around my junior year of college, and surprisingly, nobody has (at least openly) objected. One boyfriend even told me he liked my natural legs because they showed I thought for myself rather than blindly following conventions. When I mentioned I sometimes felt self-conscious about my legs, another boyfriend said it would be ridiculous for him to take issue with legs that were far less hairy than his.

    I have, however, decided not to date men because they answered in the affirmative to the OKCupid question, “Do you think women have an obligation to keep their legs shaved?” One great barometer of how much a man respects women is whether he believes they have an obligation to look aesthetically pleasing to him. When I asked one guy to explain why he answered yes to that question, he responded, “It’s unappealing and uncomfortable if I’m sleeping with them.” I’m still scratching my head over that last reason. If it’s uncomfortable to brush up against someone with body hair, why doesn’t he shave?

    Leg hair isn’t uncomfortable to touch (if anything, it’s only uncomfortable in the prickly between-shaves stage), or else we would hear more people complaining about men’s body hair; it doesn’t hold the potential to increase body odor like armpit hair; and, in my experience and that of all the women who lived before leg-shaving became a mainstream custom in the 20th century, it’s not inherently unattractive. Shaving one’s legs is a subjective decision that should be made by the bearer of the legs.

    Needless to say, shaving wasn’t the mystical entrance into the cult of womanhood that I hoped for. Instead, not shaving made me feel more mature — because I rejected an illogical but powerful double standard in favor of what made more sense to me.
    The part I bolded is really two different questions:

    A.) Do you think women should shave (wax, depilate) leg hair?

    B.) Do you think women should appear aesthetically pleasing?

    I think Question A only became interesting in the West when hemlines rose enough and stockings became transparent enough to display leg hair. It was a non-issue for both sexes prior to clothing changes. Hairiness is seen as more masculine and more animalistic all over the world - this isn't really culture-specific.

    In the West, the sheer sight of boobs was more than enough to cancel out the leg hair-effect in private moments. In other parts of the world this sometimes happened or the level of casual nudity was not effective enough so women for thousands of years resorted to various methods of hair removal.

    I do remove it but even if I didn't, you'd have to get pretty personal to detect it. I've already lived through the college leg-hair battles and their implications for feminist theory. I was a feminist who remained hair-free much to the disgust of the Women's Study Department chair.

    Question B is more interesting. I think both men and women have an obligation to appear appealing to their partners. The disconnect is that women usually also want to appear interesting to other women while men are pretty content with just being clean and neat.

    But that's about all most women want from men so men do meet that standard. Ironically, most men also want neat and clean women. If they go farther than that it might be that most men enjoy a woman who wears a dress or skirt.

    I would guess that most men are not very concerned with nail polish, hair styles, make-up, perfumes, skin care, etc. but I could be wrong.

    So, what do you think about women shaving their legs?

    What do you think about women making themselves appealing to men? Making themselves appear "better" for the evaluation of other women? What do you think about men's views of all this and about how men groom for women?


    Yahoo
    "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."
  • Frostbit
    But only once
    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
    • 22330

    #2
    I like the looks of shaved legs that have muscle tone. Couldn't care less about whether a woman with kankles shaves her legs or not.

    What about men that shave their legs? It's definitely a pain in the ass I can say. Did it for about 10 years.
    If it pays, it stays

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    • Gingersnap
      Resident stylistic consultant
      • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
      • 24058

      #3
      Originally posted by Frostbit View Post
      I like the looks of shaved legs that have muscle tone. Couldn't care less about whether a woman with kankles shaves her legs or not.

      What about men that shave their legs? It's definitely a pain in the ass I can say. Did it for about 10 years.
      Honestly, I don't like shaved legs on men. Unless you are a competitive swimmer, bodybuilder, or cyclist, I don't see the point and I think the point is "iffy" among most athletic hobbyists. I prefer men who have body hair to just have it.

      That said, Mr. Snaps has been known to armpit shave when he's working on a project in the summer. However, it's just that area - not his whole body or any significant acreage.
      "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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      • Frostbit
        But only once
        • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
        • 22330

        #4
        Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
        Honestly, I don't like shaved legs on men. Unless you are a competitive swimmer, bodybuilder, or cyclist, I don't see the point and I think the point is "iffy" among most athletic hobbyists. I prefer men who have body hair to just have it.

        That said, Mr. Snaps has been known to armpit shave when he's working on a project in the summer. However, it's just that area - not his whole body or any significant acreage.
        Bingo!! It's easier to clean the road rash post crash but I think it's more of a "tradition" in road racing. Otherwise we all would have shaved our arms as well.



        Honestly think they looked better shaved but I no longer give a crap at 61.
        If it pays, it stays

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        • Gingersnap
          Resident stylistic consultant
          • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
          • 24058

          #5
          I know a lot of roadies who shave and you are right - it's tradition/tribal thing. I very seriously doubt that any of these guys improved their time through shaving.

          LOL! Right now, it's pretty common to see bare-legged guys sporting full hipster beards.
          "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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          • Frostbit
            But only once
            • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
            • 22330

            #6
            Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
            I know a lot of roadies who shave and you are right - it's tradition/tribal thing. I very seriously doubt that any of these guys improved their time through shaving.

            LOL! Right now, it's pretty common to see bare-legged guys sporting full hipster beards.
            It's not about improving time it's about easier cleaning of road rash.
            If it pays, it stays

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            • Gingersnap
              Resident stylistic consultant
              • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
              • 24058

              #7
              Originally posted by Frostbit View Post
              It's not about improving time it's about easier cleaning of road rash.
              I guess Alaskans fall over a lot. Down here, it's all about looking like the Pros and doing what they do or what they did in 1952 or whatever.

              If injury cleaning was the reason, every guy on a bmx, long board, or mountain bike would be doing it.
              "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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              • Frostbit
                But only once
                • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                • 22330

                #8
                Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
                I guess Alaskans fall over a lot. Down here, it's all about looking like the Pros and doing what they do or what they did in 1952 or whatever.

                If injury cleaning was the reason, every guy on a bmx, long board, or mountain bike would be doing it.
                Read this slowly.....the guys in 1952 did it for easier cleansing.
                If it pays, it stays

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                • Gingersnap
                  Resident stylistic consultant
                  • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                  • 24058

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Frostbit View Post
                  Read this slowly.....the guys in 1952 did it for easier cleansing.
                  The guys in 1952 hydrated with wine.

                  Scratch a roadie, find a fred. This is why I've never joined a club. Well, that stuff and the fact that nobody can suck the pleasure out of riding a bike like a roadie.
                  "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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                  • Lanie
                    Finally have my self respect.
                    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                    • 4829

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
                    The part I bolded is really two different questions:

                    A.) Do you think women should shave (wax, depilate) leg hair?

                    B.) Do you think women should appear aesthetically pleasing?

                    I think Question A only became interesting in the West when hemlines rose enough and stockings became transparent enough to display leg hair. It was a non-issue for both sexes prior to clothing changes. Hairiness is seen as more masculine and more animalistic all over the world - this isn't really culture-specific.

                    In the West, the sheer sight of boobs was more than enough to cancel out the leg hair-effect in private moments. In other parts of the world this sometimes happened or the level of casual nudity was not effective enough so women for thousands of years resorted to various methods of hair removal.

                    I do remove it but even if I didn't, you'd have to get pretty personal to detect it. I've already lived through the college leg-hair battles and their implications for feminist theory. I was a feminist who remained hair-free much to the disgust of the Women's Study Department chair.

                    Question B is more interesting. I think both men and women have an obligation to appear appealing to their partners. The disconnect is that women usually also want to appear interesting to other women while men are pretty content with just being clean and neat.

                    But that's about all most women want from men so men do meet that standard. Ironically, most men also want neat and clean women. If they go farther than that it might be that most men enjoy a woman who wears a dress or skirt.

                    I would guess that most men are not very concerned with nail polish, hair styles, make-up, perfumes, skin care, etc. but I could be wrong.

                    So, what do you think about women shaving their legs?

                    What do you think about women making themselves appealing to men? Making themselves appear "better" for the evaluation of other women? What do you think about men's views of all this and about how men groom for women?


                    Yahoo
                    I don’t think women should have to shave their legs. We’re all brainwashed over here.
                    Disclaimer: I do shave because I have been subjected to the same brainwashing of society.

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                    • Gingersnap
                      Resident stylistic consultant
                      • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                      • 24058

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Lanie View Post
                      I don’t think women should have to shave their legs. We’re all brainwashed over here.
                      Disclaimer: I do shave because I have been subjected to the same brainwashing of society.
                      Is it "brainwashing"? There are tons of non-Western cultures where hair removal is a pretty deeply entrenched tradition. Western women are very late to this game.
                      "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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                      • Celeste Chalfonte
                        apostate
                        • Saturday, October 5, 2013
                        • 27897

                        #12
                        Who cares how it started? If it had some utility as a hygienic practice (the most likely explanation, once body hair wasn't need for warmth), it no longer pertains in the first world. Unless a person does heavy manual labor and lacks facilities for regular bathing, body hair doesn't usually cause bad odor, and if it did, the leg hair would be the least problematic. Furthermore, if odor were the reason for removing hair, men and women both would be more likely to shave their underarms and genitalia.

                        If visual appeal is the issue, that's a matter of fashion and personal preference. It's as much a matter of taste as being attracted to different body types, colorings, people with/without tattoos, etc. And like those things, sometimes you meet someone with whom you're so compatible that none of those things matter, and you find yourself attracted to someone not at all your "type."
                        "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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                        • Lanie
                          Finally have my self respect.
                          • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                          • 4829

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
                          Is it "brainwashing"? There are tons of non-Western cultures where hair removal is a pretty deeply entrenched tradition. Western women are very late to this game.
                          I just don't see the logic to it.

                          A gym teacher once said it's about removing odor. Okay then, men should do it too then.

                          Otherwise, it's just sexism to me.

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                          • phillygirl
                            Not superior, just kind
                            • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                            • 19840

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Lanie View Post
                            I just don't see the logic to it.

                            A gym teacher once said it's about removing odor. Okay then, men should do it too then.

                            Otherwise, it's just sexism to me.
                            prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.
                            I don't find bras on guys attractive. I don't think that is sexism.
                            Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
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                            • Celeste Chalfonte
                              apostate
                              • Saturday, October 5, 2013
                              • 27897

                              #15
                              Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
                              I don't find bras on guys attractive. I don't think that is sexism.
                              Come now, dear, you can do better than a non sequitur. Bras have a specific, readily identifiable purpose, based on anatomy. Men and women both have leg hair. Most men do not have anything to put in a bra, any more than most women have anything to put in a jockstrap.
                              "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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