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  • Gingersnap
    Resident stylistic consultant
    • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
    • 24058

    #1

    South Carolina Boeing workers reject unionization bid

    South Carolina Boeing workers reject unionization bid
    POSTED AT 9:21 AM ON FEBRUARY 16, 2017 BY JAZZ SHAW

    It appears that somebody is getting the message, at least in South Carolina. A growing movement around the nation in support of right to work policies has dealt one blow after another to organized labor. The latest edition of the story comes to us out of South Carolina where one of the nation’s larger unions has been attempting to organize workers at the Boeing plant. That proposal came up for a vote this week and the results speak for themselves. Employees rejected the plan and the final vote wasn’t even close. (Fox News)
    Nearly three-quarters of eligible production workers at Boeing’s South Carolina plant voted Wednesday not to join the International Association of Machinists in a major setback for organized labor.

    The Post & Courier newspaper reported that 2,097 of 2,828 voting workers — 74.2 percent — cast ballots against unionization.

    Under NLRB rules, workers must wait a year before another union vote. In a statement, Machinists organizer Mike Evans said the union was disappointed with the vote but vowed to stay in close touch with Boeing workers to figure out next steps.

    “Ultimately it will be the workers who dictate what happens next,” Evans said. “We’ve been fortunate enough to talk with hundreds of Boeing workers over the past few years. Nearly every one of them, whether they support the union or not, have improvements they want to see at Boeing. Frankly, they deserve better.”
    Not that I’m offering too much sympathy to the Association of Machinists here, but they were facing an uphill battle from the beginning. Before leaving for a position in the Trump administration, former governor Nikki Haley had been a frequent and vocal critic of the unions and a promoter of right to work policies which would make her state a more attractive home for large employers such as Boeing. State legislators had also been on board an the airwaves were peppered with advertisements reminding people precisely why Boeing had considered coming to South Carolina in the first place.

    Considering how lopsided the vote was, it’s difficult to see what might possibly change over the next 12 months (the amount of time the union will have to wait before they can try again) which could lead to a different outcome. And why would the workers want to suddenly change course and head down a trail which has led to significant job losses and recession conditions in other states where unions maintain iron-fisted control? South Carolina was an early leader in the right to work movement and began their recovery from the great recession faster than a number of other states precisely because of these policies. Take a look at these figures from the Bureau of Labor Statistics showing the unemployment rate over the past several years.
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  • Celeste Chalfonte
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    • Saturday, October 5, 2013
    • 27897

    #2
    [T]he airwaves were peppered with advertisements reminding people precisely why Boeing had considered coming to South Carolina in the first place.
    Gee, I wonder why the vote went that way. No need for employers to threaten their workers with job termination for voting union. The state will do it for them! "Remember, wage slaves, if you vote for the union, Boeing will pull out of this backasswards state and take all the jobs with them. A paycheck and no worker protections is better than no paycheck, now isn't it?"
    "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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    • Novaheart
      Guardian of civilization
      • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
      • 6070

      #3
      Perhaps it's simply a case of not feeling the need at this time? I would imagine that the Boeing jobs beat what was available before they came along. It's when workers aren't getting raises and the executives are getting $20 million bonuses that employee tend to demand a bigger slice. Next year's vote might well be different. Also, the young people in North Carolina aren't necessarily who we might think they are. NC has had a huge migration from the middle class suburbs of DC.
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      The snail's on the thorn:
      God's in his heaven—
      All's right with the world!

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      • Lady Marva
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        • Wednesday, June 17, 2015
        • 13321

        #4
        Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
        Gee, I wonder why the vote went that way. No need for employers to threaten their workers with job termination for voting union. The state will do it for them! "Remember, wage slaves, if you vote for the union, Boeing will pull out of this backasswards state and take all the jobs with them. A paycheck and no worker protections is better than no paycheck, now isn't it?"
        What stupidity. Of course there are worker protections. Just like there are in every state.

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        • Djharkavy
          Senior Member
          • Saturday, October 31, 2015
          • 4286

          #5
          It's their choice.

          But I do have to ask, why is the "right" to not join a union (which every worker already has) called "right to work?"

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          • Celeste Chalfonte
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            • Saturday, October 5, 2013
            • 27897

            #6
            Originally posted by Djharkavy View Post
            It's their choice.

            But I do have to ask, why is the "right" to not join a union (which every worker already has) called "right to work?"
            It's short for "right to work for less and be subject to firing at will."
            "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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            • Djharkavy
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              • Saturday, October 31, 2015
              • 4286

              #7
              Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
              It's short for "right to work for less and be subject to firing at will."
              That's my opinion, but I wanted to hear from our conservative members.

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              • Frostbit
                But only once
                • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                • 22330

                #8
                Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
                It's short for "right to work for less and be subject to firing at will."
                Well, since our paint brushes are so broad then it's also easy to say unions are a right to get paid for not working and having no fear of getting fired for it like in the Anchorage School District.
                If it pays, it stays

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                • Djharkavy
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                  • Saturday, October 31, 2015
                  • 4286

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Frostbit View Post
                  Well, since our paint brushes are so broad then it's also easy to say unions are a right to get paid for not working and having no fear of getting fired for it like in the Anchorage School District.
                  Given that the Anchorage School District has a biology teacher job posting up since last October, it might be more a matter of supply and demand.

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                  • Frostbit
                    But only once
                    • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                    • 22330

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Djharkavy View Post
                    Given that the Anchorage School District has a biology teacher job posting up since last October, it might be more a matter of supply and demand.

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                    Doubtful. I know teachers trying to get on full time with the ASD and can not find an opening. Bush openings are different and most teachers don't last past two years in the bush.
                    If it pays, it stays

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                    • Billy Jingo
                      I shave with Occam's Razor
                      • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                      • 18663

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Djharkavy View Post
                      Given that the Anchorage School District has a biology teacher job posting up since last October, it might be more a matter of supply and demand.
                      That doesn't count. Chugiak High is a shithole.
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                      • Norm dePlume
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                        • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                        • 14904

                        #12
                        I'm sure the South Carolina workers understand their place in the Boeing food chain. They get work as a counter (and implied threat) to the machinists union in the Northwest. If they unionized, they would lose their advantage.
                        Enjoy.

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                        • Gingersnap
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                          • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                          • 24058

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
                          Gee, I wonder why the vote went that way. No need for employers to threaten their workers with job termination for voting union. The state will do it for them! "Remember, wage slaves, if you vote for the union, Boeing will pull out of this backasswards state and take all the jobs with them. A paycheck and no worker protections is better than no paycheck, now isn't it?"
                          Good job for demeaning random people who are too stupid to live where you enjoy living.

                          All the much vaunted 'union protections' are already in current Federal law aside from the right to pressure people into giving money to political idiots.

                          Luckily, I worked in a state where this was not allowed. I did not have to fork over money to political operatives in order to get or stay in a job.

                          I can tell you how thrilled I was to be badgered by union people going in and out of work when they focused on us. I was most thrilled when they came to my house and argued with me and my husband when we doing yard work. That was quite the persuading effort.

                          If I did not want to join before then, that effort sealed the deal for me. I would never join a group that needs to bully and intimidate people into membership.

                          Apparently, most of us responded the same way. Despite a months long effort, nobody voted to join the union.
                          "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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                          • Celeste Chalfonte
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                            • Saturday, October 5, 2013
                            • 27897

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
                            Good job for demeaning random people who are too stupid to live where you enjoy living.

                            All the much vaunted 'union protections' are already in current Federal law aside from the right to pressure people into giving money to political idiots.

                            Luckily, I worked in a state where this was not allowed. I did not have to fork over money to political operatives in order to get or stay in a job.

                            I can tell you how thrilled I was to be badgered by union people going in and out of work when they focused on us. I was most thrilled when they came to my house and argued with me and my husband when we doing yard work. That was quite the persuading effort.

                            If I did not want to join before then, that effort sealed the deal for me. I would never join a group that needs to bully and intimidate people into membership.

                            Apparently, most of us responded the same way. Despite a months long effort, nobody voted to join the union.
                            Creative reading, Ginger. I could have sworn I was demeaning a government in league with union-busting corporations.

                            No, all worker protections are NOT in federal law. "At-will" employment means that no matter how well you do your job and how pleasant you are, if the manager wants to fire you and hire his cousin, an eminently unqualified drunk, to take your place, you have no job security.

                            Congratulations on having selected a profession that gives you all the benefits of unionization without having to pay dues. Some people aren't as smart or lucky as you.
                            "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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                            • gary m
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                              • Wednesday, October 2, 2013
                              • 8016

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
                              It's short for "right to work for less and be subject to firing at will."
                              Bullshit.
                              We are so fucked.

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