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Certainly true for Washington DC.Originally posted by Gingersnap View PostIt's not specific to the South. Walmart is not allowed in highly liberal areas where communities have legislated zoning to keep them out. NYC, Chicago, Detroit, Seattle, San Francisco, etc.
You know, where poor and working class people might want to buy a low-cost set of sheets or maybe some paper towels.
They even provide jobs for the poor. But they don't pay enough for the "living wagers" so therefore there should be no Walmart and no jobs. Dumb as all getout.
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Seeing much talk, not a lot of actual legislation, at your links.
No, I do not want a giant concrete wasteland erected in my neighborhood either. I oppose residential overdevelopment as well. Zoning is a legitimate governmental function. If they let Costco in, they have to let Walmart in. But I don't want Yuppie Walmart (Costco) in my neighborhood either.
There is no room in SF for a Walmart (except possible out on the old Hunter's Point Shipyard, but I'm not even sure there's still space out there). If a propoerty is already a grocery store (the Tesco locations), it would be foolish to keep Walmart out just because it's Walmart. But in your links, I see nothing but essentially cocktail party chat about doing that."Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)
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Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View PostSeeing much talk, not a lot of actual legislation, at your links.
No, I do not want a giant concrete wasteland erected in my neighborhood either. I oppose residential overdevelopment as well. Zoning is a legitimate governmental function. If they let Costco in, they have to let Walmart in. But I don't want Yuppie Walmart (Costco) in my neighborhood either.
There is no room in SF for a Walmart (except possible out on the old Hunter's Point Shipyard, but I'm not even sure there's still space out there). If a propoerty is already a grocery store (the Tesco locations), it would be foolish to keep Walmart out just because it's Walmart. But in your links, I see nothing but essentially cocktail party chat about doing that.That's actual legislation unless you think City Council votes are taken for something else.The measure, approved on a 5-3 vote, prohibits stores of more than 90,000 square feet that use 10 percent of space to sell groceries and other merchandise that is not subject to sales tax. It takes aim at Wal-Mart Supercenter stores, which average 185,000 square feet and sell groceries.
If you don't want to read, don't ask for links."Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
-John Locke
"It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
-Newman
"Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
-Newman
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San Francisco may be constrained due to limited land space but that not true for the other communities that use zoning to keep Walmart out. Those cities are littered with dead malls and truly blighted areas. In some, the empty houses and retail areas are virtually ghost towns.
Although the zoning may not name Walmart as the retailer the city council wants to keep out, it's written with them in mind. So, the people get on a couple of buses to cross the zoning area and lug all their stuff back when they can.
This is not how it happens in non-blighted areas that are not controlled by unions, Democrats, SJWs, and identity politics. In those places, Walmarts are pretty convenient even to bus riders - they are "on the way" to hubs for work, play, or services. And they are used by everybody in the surrounding area - not just by rich, well educated elites......wait....they're never used by those people.
"Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."
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I didn't say "NO legislation." I said "NOT MUCH." Ginger put out there that about 5 major cities she deems liberal strongholds have laws keeping Walmart out. You gave me 3 links, and only one for some podunk town actually passed legislation. The rest was all talk. I read your links. They don't support Ginger's statement.Originally posted by scott View PostThat's actual legislation unless you think City Council votes are taken for something else.
If you don't want to read, don't ask for links."Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)
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San Diego is not "some podunk town."Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View PostI didn't say "NO legislation." I said "NOT MUCH." Ginger put out there that about 5 major cities she deems liberal strongholds have laws keeping Walmart out. You gave me 3 links, and only one for some podunk town actually passed legislation. The rest was all talk. I read your links. They don't support Ginger's statement.
Neither is the entire state of Maryland
Nor Chicago
DC?"Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
-John Locke
"It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
-Newman
"Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
-Newman
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You're giving me links to several years ago, where this or that city council passed something. No indication if it was vetoed, or if there is a notation that it was vetoed, no indication if it was then enacted over the veto. And what's with the "living wage" cases? We've now gone from, "Major cities have banned Walmart." to "Some places have imposed size or wage limitations that affect Walmart's business decisions."Originally posted by scott View Post
I took issue with this specific statement:
I asked for proof. I haven't seen any. San Diego is not NYC, Chicago, Seattle, or San Francisco. It might be "etc.," but the named cities have no code or ordinance that I have found barring Walmart. In SF, AFAIK, Walmart can conform to the longstanding zoning requirements, as Walgreen's and Safeway have, and nobody can keep them out.Walmart is not allowed in highly liberal areas where communities have legislated zoning to keep them out. NYC, Chicago, Detroit, Seattle, San Francisco, etc."Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)
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You're giving the union spin. The laws passed were written so narrowly so that they only affected Wal-Mart.Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View PostYou're giving me links to several years ago, where this or that city council passed something. No indication if it was vetoed, or if there is a notation that it was vetoed, no indication if it was then enacted over the veto. And what's with the "living wage" cases? We've now gone from, "Major cities have banned Walmart." to "Some places have imposed size or wage limitations that affect Walmart's business decisions."
I took issue with this specific statement:
I asked for proof. I haven't seen any. San Diego is not NYC, Chicago, Seattle, or San Francisco. It might be "etc.," but the named cities have no code or ordinance that I have found barring Walmart. In SF, AFAIK, Walmart can conform to the longstanding zoning requirements, as Walgreen's and Safeway have, and nobody can keep them out.
You wanted substantiation and I posted it. Now you're saying they are too old or that certain details (that you didn't read) are missing and/or don't apply. You're ignoring the problem, which is exactly what the UFCW wants you do to. Bravo."Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
-John Locke
"It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
-Newman
"Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
-Newman
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Y'know, Scott, you frequently call someone out on not answering the question. I have a simple one, and if the answer was anywhere in all your links, yes, I missed it, although I read some through twice. What law is on the books in San Francisco that prohibits Walmart or any comparable big box store opening a store in the city?Originally posted by scott View PostYou're giving the union spin. The laws passed were written so narrowly so that they only affected Wal-Mart.
You wanted substantiation and I posted it. Now you're saying they are too old or that certain details (that you didn't read) are missing and/or don't apply. You're ignoring the problem, which is exactly what the UFCW wants you do to. Bravo.
Each of your linked articles ended with something like, "The mayor is expected to veto it." What happened next??? I don't have time to chase down follow-up articles. Did the mayor veto it? Was the veto overridden?
The City of Oakland has a minimum wage higher than both the state and deferal minimums. Oakland had at least one Walmart, until Walmart shut it down, not because of zoning or the minimum wage, but because it was right there where Ginger's "poor people" live, and its parking lot had a higher homicide rate than Baltimore."Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)
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I never commented on San Francisco. I don't know if there is an anti-WalMart law there.Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View PostY'know, Scott, you frequently call someone out on not answering the question. I have a simple one, and if the answer was anywhere in all your links, yes, I missed it, although I read some through twice. What law is on the books in San Francisco that prohibits Walmart or any comparable big box store opening a store in the city?
Each of your linked articles ended with something like, "The mayor is expected to veto it." What happened next??? I don't have time to chase down follow-up articles. Did the mayor veto it? Was the veto overridden?
The City of Oakland has a minimum wage higher than both the state and deferal minimums. Oakland had at least one Walmart, until Walmart shut it down, not because of zoning or the minimum wage, but because it was right there where Ginger's "poor people" live, and its parking lot had a higher homicide rate than Baltimore.
There was one in Chicago (linked). There was one in San Diego (linked). There was one for all of Maryland (struck down as unconstitutional)."Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
-John Locke
"It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
-Newman
"Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
-Newman
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Originally posted by scott View PostI never commented on San Francisco. I don't know if there is an anti-WalMart law there.
There was one in Chicago (linked). There was one in San Diego (linked). There was one for all of Maryland (struck down as unconstitutional).
That's not your link?Originally posted by scott View Posthttp://archives.sfexaminer.com/sanfr...nt?oid=2320298"Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)
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Ah you're correct. I was in a rush and didn't pay attention. Fair point.Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View PostThat's not your link?"Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
-John Locke
"It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
-Newman
"Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
-Newman
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What about Friendly Neighborhood Wal-Mart or Wal-Mart Express? They should be small enough to fit certain size standards. I can understand why Wal-Mart is considered a theat, but they're not the only ones. Over here, Mom and Pop gas stations are in danger due to franchises offering lower prices on gas. It does seem like Wal-Mart is a real threat to electronic stores. At the same time, it does help the poor to have a low cost place to turn to. Fortunately, more dollar stores are popping up.
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Now that's where actual, as opposed to Ginger's, "poor people" shop.Originally posted by Lanie View PostFortunately, more dollar stores are popping up.
One popped up in Wickes, Arkansas BTW; a very small rural town. It was weird when I saw it and I think it may be a trend.“One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.”
~ Omar El Akkad
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