So, today I went to Target.

[scott]

Would you care to back that up with a citation to such legislation?

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/15949187/ns/business-us_business/t/san-diego-city-council-blocks-wal-mart/#.V0ROR_krLIU

http://archives.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancisco/nobody-wants-to-see-wal-mart-in-san-francisco-except-fresh-and-easy/Content?oid=2320298

http://www.nysun.com/national/california-town-uses-eminent-domain-to-block-wal/32395/

[Lady Marva]

It's not specific to the South. Walmart is not allowed in highly liberal areas where communities have legislated zoning to keep them out. NYC, Chicago, Detroit, Seattle, San Francisco, etc.


You know, where poor and working class people might want to buy a low-cost set of sheets or maybe some paper towels.

Certainly true for Washington DC.
They even provide jobs for the poor. But they don't pay enough for the "living wagers" so therefore there should be no Walmart and no jobs. Dumb as all getout.

[Celeste Chalfonte]

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/15949187/n.../#.V0ROR_krLIU

http://archives.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancisco/nobody-wants-to-see-wal-mart-in-san-francisco-except-fresh-and-easy/Content?oid=2320298

http://www.nysun.com/national/califo...ock-wal/32395/

Seeing much talk, not a lot of actual legislation, at your links.

No, I do not want a giant concrete wasteland erected in my neighborhood either. I oppose residential overdevelopment as well. Zoning is a legitimate governmental function. If they let Costco in, they have to let Walmart in. But I don't want Yuppie Walmart (Costco) in my neighborhood either.

There is no room in SF for a Walmart (except possible out on the old Hunter's Point Shipyard, but I'm not even sure there's still space out there). If a propoerty is already a grocery store (the Tesco locations), it would be foolish to keep Walmart out just because it's Walmart. But in your links, I see nothing but essentially cocktail party chat about doing that.

[scott]

Seeing much talk, not a lot of actual legislation, at your links.

No, I do not want a giant concrete wasteland erected in my neighborhood either. I oppose residential overdevelopment as well. Zoning is a legitimate governmental function. If they let Costco in, they have to let Walmart in. But I don't want Yuppie Walmart (Costco) in my neighborhood either.

There is no room in SF for a Walmart (except possible out on the old Hunter's Point Shipyard, but I'm not even sure there's still space out there). If a propoerty is already a grocery store (the Tesco locations), it would be foolish to keep Walmart out just because it's Walmart. But in your links, I see nothing but essentially cocktail party chat about doing that.

The measure, approved on a 5-3 vote, prohibits stores of more than 90,000 square feet that use 10 percent of space to sell groceries and other merchandise that is not subject to sales tax. It takes aim at Wal-Mart Supercenter stores, which average 185,000 square feet and sell groceries.

That's actual legislation unless you think City Council votes are taken for something else.

If you don't want to read, don't ask for links.

[Gingersnap]

San Francisco may be constrained due to limited land space but that not true for the other communities that use zoning to keep Walmart out. Those cities are littered with dead malls and truly blighted areas. In some, the empty houses and retail areas are virtually ghost towns.

Although the zoning may not name Walmart as the retailer the city council wants to keep out, it's written with them in mind. So, the people get on a couple of buses to cross the zoning area and lug all their stuff back when they can.

This is not how it happens in non-blighted areas that are not controlled by unions, Democrats, SJWs, and identity politics. In those places, Walmarts are pretty convenient even to bus riders - they are "on the way" to hubs for work, play, or services. And they are used by everybody in the surrounding area - not just by rich, well educated elites......wait....they're never used by those people.

[Celeste Chalfonte]

That's actual legislation unless you think City Council votes are taken for something else.

If you don't want to read, don't ask for links.

I didn't say "NO legislation." I said "NOT MUCH." Ginger put out there that about 5 major cities she deems liberal strongholds have laws keeping Walmart out. You gave me 3 links, and only one for some podunk town actually passed legislation. The rest was all talk. I read your links. They don't support Ginger's statement.

[scott]

I didn't say "NO legislation." I said "NOT MUCH." Ginger put out there that about 5 major cities she deems liberal strongholds have laws keeping Walmart out. You gave me 3 links, and only one for some podunk town actually passed legislation. The rest was all talk. I read your links. They don't support Ginger's statement.

San Diego is not "some podunk town."

Neither is the entire state of Maryland

Nor Chicago

DC?

[Celeste Chalfonte]

San Diego is not "some podunk town."

Neither is the entire state of Maryland

Nor Chicago

DC?

You're giving me links to several years ago, where this or that city council passed something. No indication if it was vetoed, or if there is a notation that it was vetoed, no indication if it was then enacted over the veto. And what's with the "living wage" cases? We've now gone from, "Major cities have banned Walmart." to "Some places have imposed size or wage limitations that affect Walmart's business decisions."

I took issue with this specific statement:

Walmart is not allowed in highly liberal areas where communities have legislated zoning to keep them out. NYC, Chicago, Detroit, Seattle, San Francisco, etc.

I asked for proof. I haven't seen any. San Diego is not NYC, Chicago, Seattle, or San Francisco. It might be "etc.," but the named cities have no code or ordinance that I have found barring Walmart. In SF, AFAIK, Walmart can conform to the longstanding zoning requirements, as Walgreen's and Safeway have, and nobody can keep them out.

[scott]

You're giving me links to several years ago, where this or that city council passed something. No indication if it was vetoed, or if there is a notation that it was vetoed, no indication if it was then enacted over the veto. And what's with the "living wage" cases? We've now gone from, "Major cities have banned Walmart." to "Some places have imposed size or wage limitations that affect Walmart's business decisions."

I took issue with this specific statement:



I asked for proof. I haven't seen any. San Diego is not NYC, Chicago, Seattle, or San Francisco. It might be "etc.," but the named cities have no code or ordinance that I have found barring Walmart. In SF, AFAIK, Walmart can conform to the longstanding zoning requirements, as Walgreen's and Safeway have, and nobody can keep them out.

You're giving the union spin. The laws passed were written so narrowly so that they only affected Wal-Mart.

You wanted substantiation and I posted it. Now you're saying they are too old or that certain details (that you didn't read) are missing and/or don't apply. You're ignoring the problem, which is exactly what the UFCW wants you do to. Bravo.

[Celeste Chalfonte]

You're giving the union spin. The laws passed were written so narrowly so that they only affected Wal-Mart.

You wanted substantiation and I posted it. Now you're saying they are too old or that certain details (that you didn't read) are missing and/or don't apply. You're ignoring the problem, which is exactly what the UFCW wants you do to. Bravo.

Y'know, Scott, you frequently call someone out on not answering the question. I have a simple one, and if the answer was anywhere in all your links, yes, I missed it, although I read some through twice. What law is on the books in San Francisco that prohibits Walmart or any comparable big box store opening a store in the city?

Each of your linked articles ended with something like, "The mayor is expected to veto it." What happened next??? I don't have time to chase down follow-up articles. Did the mayor veto it? Was the veto overridden?

The City of Oakland has a minimum wage higher than both the state and deferal minimums. Oakland had at least one Walmart, until Walmart shut it down, not because of zoning or the minimum wage, but because it was right there where Ginger's "poor people" live, and its parking lot had a higher homicide rate than Baltimore.

[scott]

Y'know, Scott, you frequently call someone out on not answering the question. I have a simple one, and if the answer was anywhere in all your links, yes, I missed it, although I read some through twice. What law is on the books in San Francisco that prohibits Walmart or any comparable big box store opening a store in the city?

Each of your linked articles ended with something like, "The mayor is expected to veto it." What happened next??? I don't have time to chase down follow-up articles. Did the mayor veto it? Was the veto overridden?

The City of Oakland has a minimum wage higher than both the state and deferal minimums. Oakland had at least one Walmart, until Walmart shut it down, not because of zoning or the minimum wage, but because it was right there where Ginger's "poor people" live, and its parking lot had a higher homicide rate than Baltimore.

I never commented on San Francisco. I don't know if there is an anti-WalMart law there.

There was one in Chicago (linked). There was one in San Diego (linked). There was one for all of Maryland (struck down as unconstitutional).

[Celeste Chalfonte]

I never commented on San Francisco. I don't know if there is an anti-WalMart law there.

There was one in Chicago (linked). There was one in San Diego (linked). There was one for all of Maryland (struck down as unconstitutional).

http://archives.sfexaminer.com/sanfr...nt?oid=2320298

That's not your link?

[scott]

That's not your link?

Ah you're correct. I was in a rush and didn't pay attention. Fair point.

[Lanie]

What about Friendly Neighborhood Wal-Mart or Wal-Mart Express? They should be small enough to fit certain size standards. I can understand why Wal-Mart is considered a theat, but they're not the only ones. Over here, Mom and Pop gas stations are in danger due to franchises offering lower prices on gas. It does seem like Wal-Mart is a real threat to electronic stores. At the same time, it does help the poor to have a low cost place to turn to. Fortunately, more dollar stores are popping up.

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[Billy Jingo]

Fortunately, more dollar stores are popping up.

Now that's where actual, as opposed to Ginger's, "poor people" shop.

One popped up in Wickes, Arkansas BTW; a very small rural town. It was weird when I saw it and I think it may be a trend.