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  • Djharkavy
    Senior Member
    • Saturday, October 31, 2015
    • 4286

    #31
    Originally posted by scott View Post
    Elena Kagan

    Sonya Sotomayor

    Obama got 2. You're bitching because he didn't get 3?
    No. He's bitching because the Senate refused to do their job for partisan reasons.

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    • Novaheart
      Guardian of civilization
      • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
      • 6070

      #32
      "I think the nomination should be withdrawn. The bar here is not whether you have not criminally assaulted someone, it's credibility , trust, integrity. - Blumenthal

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      • scott
        Go-to Guru
        • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
        • 15799

        #33
        Originally posted by Djharkavy View Post
        No. He's bitching because the Senate refused to do their job for partisan reasons.

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        They did their job. It was their prerogative to not advise and consent if they didn't want to do so. Obama had other options but the political calculus didn't favor it.

        But please, go on about how an obviously partisan process should not be partisan - but only when you don't like the outcome.
        "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
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        -Newman

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        • scott
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          • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
          • 15799

          #34
          Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
          McConnell changed the rule on Supreme Court confirmations. Otherwise, a president would need 60 members of his own party in the Senate.
          Was it illegal? Was there precedent? Some other rule change made previously by Harry Reid?
          "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
          -John Locke

          "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
          -Newman

          "Grievance groups are playing King of the Hill."
          -Newman

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          • 80zephyr
            Senior Member
            • Saturday, January 3, 2015
            • 19074

            #35
            Originally posted by Djharkavy View Post
            No. He's bitching because the Senate refused to do their job for partisan reasons.

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            They did their job.

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            • Newman
              Behind the Iron Curtain
              • Friday, November 1, 2013
              • 25814

              #36
              Originally posted by Novaheart View Post
              "I think the nomination should be withdrawn. The bar here is not whether you have not criminally assaulted someone, it's credibility , trust, integrity. - Blumenthal

              This is why.
              This is ridiculous on its face, but coming from a Senator who lied about serving in Vietnam?

              • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
              • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
              • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
              • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
              • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
              • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
              • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
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              • Newman
                Behind the Iron Curtain
                • Friday, November 1, 2013
                • 25814

                #37
                Originally posted by Djharkavy View Post
                No. He's bitching because the Senate refused to do their job for partisan reasons.
                They clearly obstructed the Obama administration's effort to replace Scalia.

                The Democratic Party since 2016 has obstructed the Trump administration to the best of their ability.

                Do you distinguish the two efforts?
                • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
                • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
                • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
                • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
                • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
                • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
                • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
                • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
                • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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                • Djharkavy
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                  • Saturday, October 31, 2015
                  • 4286

                  #38
                  Originally posted by scott View Post
                  They did their job. It was their prerogative to not advise and consent if they didn't want to do so. Obama had other options but the political calculus didn't favor it.

                  But please, go on about how an obviously partisan process should not be partisan - but only when you don't like the outcome.
                  No they didn't do their job. If they did their job, they would have debated his qualifications, and voted him up or voted him down.
                  Refusing to even meet with him is not "advise and consent"

                  And for the record, I'm still in favor of confirming Kavanaugh quickly, unless preliminary investigation finds the accusation credible. Then, as now, I consider filling the court with qualified person to be more important than my own issues/positions

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                  Last edited by Djharkavy; Wednesday, September 19, 2018, 8:13 AM.

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                  • Djharkavy
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                    • Saturday, October 31, 2015
                    • 4286

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Newman View Post
                    They clearly obstructed the Obama administration's effort to replace Scalia.

                    The Democratic Party since 2016 has obstructed the Trump administration to the best of their ability.

                    Do you distinguish the two efforts?
                    I dislike both. I prefer days when the difference between parties could result in compromise legislation.

                    But I see the difference between voting against something and refusing to even debate it.

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                    • Norm dePlume
                      Err foil
                      • Tuesday, October 22, 2013
                      • 14904

                      #40
                      Originally posted by scott View Post
                      Was it illegal? Was there precedent? Some other rule change made previously by Harry Reid?
                      I didn't make any of those claims. It was simply omitted from your statement, which made your statement pretty misleading. Maybe that was intentional, maybe not. Your "translation" doesn't fit the facts and doesn't fit the comment you were "translating".

                      Originally posted by scott View Post
                      Translation:

                      Harry Reid changed the rules, damn you Republicans for following them!
                      Enjoy.

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                      • Newman
                        Behind the Iron Curtain
                        • Friday, November 1, 2013
                        • 25814

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Djharkavy View Post
                        I dislike both. I prefer days when the difference between parties could result in compromise legislation.

                        But I see the difference between voting against something and refusing to even debate it.
                        At the present moment, the GOP is anxious to confirm Kavanaugh right away, while the Democrats hope to push the vote past the November election, in hopes of winning enough seats to block it then.

                        The Democrats are under no Constitutional obligation to vote on Kavanaugh before the election.

                        Just to think back a moment: The strategy of Mitchell and the GOP was to postpone consideration of Garland under after the presidential election. Had Hillary won, he and they would certainly have confirmed Garland rather than wait for Hillary's nomination.

                        Neither Party is violating its Constitutional duties in strategizing delay.

                        The Dems are furious (logically) that Mitchell won his gambit. They made a pretense of demanding Garland be considered regardless, and added the bogus "stolen seat" epithet to our political lexicon.

                        But you know damn well that had the tables been reversed, each Party would have alertly and happily taken the opposite position.
                        Last edited by Newman; Wednesday, September 19, 2018, 9:58 AM.
                        • "I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most of you guys." — Joe Biden, at Jesse Jackson's funeral, March 2026.​
                        • "That's all I do in my life. I make deals. I'm really good at it." — President Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2025.
                        • “Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out,” — David Horowitz.
                        • "We [Democrats] are all willing to work with anyone who is serious about doing the work of censoring the American people, and advancing progress."​ — Ayanna Pressley, explaining progressives.
                        • ​​"Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
                        • "No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining Lawfare.
                        • “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”​— Ben Franklin, who got it right.
                        • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
                        • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

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                        • Djharkavy
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                          • Saturday, October 31, 2015
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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Newman View Post
                          At the present moment, the GOP is anxious to confirm Kavanaugh right away, while the Democrats hope to push the vote past the November election, in hopes of winning enough seats to block it then.
                          True. Loathsome, but true

                          Originally posted by Newman View Post
                          The Democrats are under no Constitutional obligation to vote on Kavanaugh before the election.
                          They can abstain, but they don't control when the vote will be.

                          Originally posted by Newman View Post
                          Just to think back a moment: The strategy of Mitchell and the GOP was to postpone consideration of Garland under after the presidential election.
                          And as a result, the Court did not have its full complement for a term. The Senate, for partisan reasons, did not do their job.

                          Originally posted by Newman View Post
                          Neither Party is violating its Constitutional duties in strategizing delay.
                          I disagree.


                          Originally posted by Newman View Post
                          But you know damn well that had the tables been reversed, each Party would have alertly and happily taken the opposite position.
                          I don't know of the dems would have done so before. They will definitely do so now. There is precedent now for "delay"

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                          • 80zephyr
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                            • Saturday, January 3, 2015
                            • 19074

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Djharkavy View Post
                            True. Loathsome, but true



                            They can abstain, but they don't control when the vote will be.



                            And as a result, the Court did not have its full complement for a term. The Senate, for partisan reasons, did not do their job.



                            I disagree.




                            I don't know of the dems would have done so before
                            . They will definitely do so now. There is precedent now for "delay"

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                            • Adam
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                              • Tuesday, October 1, 2013
                              • 16885

                              #44
                              I'm reading through my copy of the Constitution and I can't seem to find the part where it says that the Senate has some particular time constraint upon them for providing Advice and Consent, nor where it says that they are obligated to act at all.
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                              • Djharkavy
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                                • Saturday, October 31, 2015
                                • 4286

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Adam View Post
                                I'm reading through my copy of the Constitution and I can't seem to find the part where it says that the Senate has some particular time constraint upon them for providing Advice and Consent, nor where it says that they are obligated to act at all.
                                If you went into the office and built paper clip chains all day, it's not illegal but you aren't doing your job.

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