Officials identify suspect in shooting that killed 10 at Texas' Santa Fe High School

[JB]

At least I have the fucking balls to say that the Second Amendment trumps the right to life of kids...

So does Roe v. Wade.

[Billy Jingo]

So does Roe v. Wade.

Easy to make another person the slave to your ideals, isn’t it?

[Gingersnap]

Easy to make another person the slave to your ideals, isn’t it?

You'd know, you're working on it.

[Billy Jingo]

Easy to make another person the slave to your ideals, isn’t it?

You'd know ...

No. I wouldn’t. I find it exceedingly difficult.

[Gingersnap]

No. I wouldn’t. I find it exceedingly difficult.

I think you'd crack the whip pretty cheerfully if you were backed up enough. "Apparatchik" is the term, I believe.

[Norm dePlume]

What I believe is that, try as we might, kids will die. If what we "trade" for their lives isn't worth the cost, then to me its a nonstarter. For instance, if we lowered the speed limit to 15 mph across the board, it would save many lives, but at what cost?

Mark

Heh. Deflection!

I remember when they lowered the speed limit from 70 to 55 on interstate highways because more fatalities happen at higher speeds. So, I guess any day now the speed limit will be 45, and then 35, and then 25, 15, 5, and finally 0. Or maybe we'll have to drive everywhere in reverse after that.

Deflection. I asked an honest question. Do you think the left will be happy enough if assault weapons would be abolished to not ask for any more gun bans?

Mark

[Adam]

There is no Constitutional right that I'm aware of to own bombs, red meat, cars or anything else you guys love to deflect about, so your points are all universally invalid.

And yet there is, in fact, a Constitutional right to own all of those things. I could buy dynamite at Western Auto when I was a kid, for cryin' out loud.

Your problem here is that you're looking at the Constitution in an exactly ass-backward way. It's a document that restricts government, not citizens.

[Norm dePlume]

And yet there is, in fact, a Constitutional right to own all of those things. I could buy dynamite at Western Auto when I was a kid, for cryin' out loud.

Your problem here is that you're looking at the Constitution in an exactly ass-backward way. It's a document that restricts government, not citizens.

You are saying you have a constitutional right to keep and bear dynamite? Really?

[Adam]

You are saying you have a constitutional right to keep and bear dynamite? Really?

Yes, really.

Find me the part in the Constitution where it says that you, as a citizen, are prohibited from having dynamite.


Hint: as noted, until very recently, anyone could walk into their local Western Auto or other such hardware store and buy dynamite. I very distinctly remember buying some to remove a stump when I was about eight years old. We got four radials for a '73 Vega (whitewalls turned in), a new shovel, and three sticks of dynamite.

The stump from that old oak tree was gone that afternoon.

[Norm dePlume]

Yes, really.

Find me the part in the Constitution where it says that you, as a citizen, are prohibited from having dynamite.


Hint: as noted, until very recently, anyone could walk into their local Western Auto or other such hardware store and buy dynamite. I very distinctly remember buying some to remove a stump when I was about eight years old. We got four radials for a '73 Vega (whitewalls turned in), a new shovel, and three sticks of dynamite.

The stump from that old oak tree was gone that afternoon.

Yeah, people used to buy cocaine at the apothecary, too. That doesn't make it a constitutional right. It would be a constitutional right if the constitution said something to the effect that government shall not infringe your right to keep and bear high explosives. But it doesn't say that, and, surprise! Your right to have dynamite is very much infringed at the moment.

[Adam]

Yeah, people used to buy cocaine at the apothecary, too. That doesn't make it a constitutional right.

Correct. The fact that someone could buy it doesn't make it a Constitutional right. The fact that it's a Constitutional right makes it a Constitutional right. The fact that they were able to buy it is just evidence of the fact.

It would be a constitutional right if the constitution said something to the effect that government shall not infringe your right to keep and bear high explosives.

WRONG. That's not how the Constitution works. At all.

The Constitution doesn't grant you the right to type stupid shit at NEIP, either, and yet you have the right to do so. Why?

But it doesn't say that, and, surprise! Your right to have dynamite is very much infringed at the moment.

That's correct. My right to have dynamite is indeed infringed. That happened through the legislative process, which is very, VERY different from a Constitutional right.

[Norm dePlume]

Correct. The fact that someone could buy it doesn't make it a Constitutional right. The fact that it's a Constitutional right makes it a Constitutional right. The fact that they were able to buy it is just evidence of the fact.

WRONG. That's not how the Constitution works. At all.

The Constitution doesn't grant you the right to type stupid shit at NEIP, either, and yet you have the right to do so. Why?

That's correct. My right to have dynamite is indeed infringed. That happened through the legislative process, which is very, VERY different from a Constitutional right.

If you had a constitutional right to own dynamite, then the laws that prevent you from owning dynamite would be struck down if challenged in court.

[Adam]

If you had a constitutional right to own dynamite, then the laws that prevent you from owning dynamite would be struck down if challenged in court.

Only if someone took that challenge to the Supreme Court. To the best of my knowledge, no one has.

[Norm dePlume]

Only if someone took that challenge to the Supreme Court. To the best of my knowledge, no one has.

Okay. Do you believe that people have gone to prison for having dynamite or trying to obtain dynamite in violation of these laws that you think are unconstitutional? And, if so, do you believe those people just had bad lawyers who were too lazy or ignorant to challenge the constitutionality of those laws?

[Adam]

Okay. Do you believe that people have gone to prison for having dynamite or trying to obtain dynamite in violation of these laws that you think are unconstitutional? And, if so, do you believe those people just had bad lawyers who were too lazy or ignorant to challenge the constitutionality of those laws?

Please find where I said that laws against ownership of dynamite are unconstitutional.